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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by jussij »

drstewart wrote: post #327
IIAOPSW wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is misinformation. Masks (cloth or otherwise) were meant to reduce infectiousness, not completely prevent the possibility of infection. Masks (cloth or otherwise) do in fact reduce infectiousness. The misinformation is the implication that masks are pointless because you can still get infected. The point of masks is to get the probability of spreading it down by some multiple, not to be a personal not-my-problem-a…

So if I wear a cloth mask and never wash it and constantly touch it with my hands, does it reduce my chance of infection? And are you 100% confident that your answer will cover all nuance and isn't misinformation, which should mean you are banned from HN for 7 days?

That is obviously a case of you not using the mask correctly.

If you choose to use the mask incorrectly, it can hardly be the fault of the person advocating the use of a mask.

However, if instead the information provided was you should never wash your mask, you should be constantly touching your mask, you should share your masks with friends and by doing this you will be kept safe.

In that scenario you should be banned for spreading misinformation.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by empressplay »

drstewart wrote: post #327
IIAOPSW wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is misinformation. Masks (cloth or otherwise) were meant to reduce infectiousness, not completely prevent the possibility of infection. Masks (cloth or otherwise) do in fact reduce infectiousness. The misinformation is the implication that masks are pointless because you can still get infected. The point of masks is to get the probability of spreading it down by some multiple, not to be a personal not-my-problem-a…

So if I wear a cloth mask and never wash it and constantly touch it with my hands, does it reduce my chance of infection? And are you 100% confident that your answer will cover all nuance and isn't misinformation, which should mean you are banned from HN for 7 days?

It reduces your chances of infecting others.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by ShroudedNight »

matz1 wrote: post #139
andybak wrote: post #132

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I have to confess I suspect our experiences aren't that different. In the same way people can choose to be offended, people seem to have chosen to find this a huge imposition. I actually really dislike wearing a mask and sometimes have a mild panicky feeling of suffocating and have to move to a window. (I get a similar thing snorkeling). But it's no big deal. I'm a grown up and I deal with it because it's a good thin…

>But it's no big deal. It's no big deal for you, fine. I acknowledge that but It is a big deal for me. >I'm a grown up and I deal with it because it's a good thing to do for other people. well not to me, when you wearing mask when interacting with me you are not doing a good thing for me. I'm much prefer for you to not wear mask when you interact with me but still I wouldn't force you. Its also one of the reason for…

> Its also one of the reason for me to not wear mask when interacting with other people, its a good thing to do for other people.

How is increasing the odds of my infecting my immunocompromised mother doing me a favour?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #433
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #352

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> We know SARS-CoV-2 is abundant in humans, and we know it's related to viruses with abundant animal reservoirs, but do we know that SARS-CoV-2 has abundant animal reservoirs? I wasn't aware that it did, and I wouldn't expect it to have. Yes, it has abundant animal reservoirs. The fact you're not aware of this suggests that you are lacking some essential background info, which would explain why you are so myopically…

> Here's just one study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8002747/ That's “non-zero”; not the same thing as abundant. How do you even know R>1? I'd say “found in wild animals” is the standard for “abundant animal reservoirs”; that's “some animals can catch it from humans” which we already know. > Smallpox had no known animal or reservoirs. Smallpox had cases in practically undocumented people. The last fe…

> That's “non-zero”; not the same thing as abundant. How do you even know R>1? I'd say “found in wild animals” is the standard for “abundant animal reservoirs”; that's “some animals can catch it from humans” which we already know.

I literally linked you a study that alleged that the virus jumped back from minks to humans. There's far more studies on the animal reservoirs, I just don't feel like doing an exhaustive literature review for the purposes of this subthread. I would strongly encourage you to start researching it since you apparently don't seem to be aware of the fact that zoos around the country are vaccinating their animals against COVID, etc. (Which BTW I disagree with but unless you want to argue that they're just vaccinating them for no reason surely that implies that they're getting infected)

There's literally mountains of evidence for you to go look at

> Smallpox had cases in practically undocumented people. The last few smallpox infections were stamped out by pre-emptive vaccinations of everyone found in the vicinity; that doesn't require the subjects to be human in principle, even if they were in this case.

Okay, good luck vaccinating not just the entire global human population but also virtually every mammal out there. Good luck chasing down the smaller rodents. Better not miss a single spot!

> I maintain we could do it.

Again, we can't. We can't even get close with our current capabilities. I agree there's a hypothetical universe where with teleportation and an infection-blocking vaccine - neither of which we have - as well as some sort of all-seeing eye, we could do it.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by natural219 »

nielsbot wrote: post #419
rajin444 wrote: post #362

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How can you prove the mitigations worked? The only controls out there (Sweden, some US states, etc.) aren’t very robust (nor in favor of mitigation efforts).

All you have to do is look at a deaths/infections curve before and after mitigations.

it's been looked at several times, and a vast majority of the convincing evidence seems to fall in favor of the camp that overall mitigations do nearly nothing compared to control samples of places with no/fewer restrictions

https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/05/18/coronalinks-5-18-20-wh...

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by [deleted] »

nomel wrote: post #452
mbesto wrote: post #198

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> Tech companies feeling competent to dictate truth is scary. What's scarier, the fact that tech companies feel competent to dictate truth or the fact that we let them?

I find it terrifying that there's a large portion of the population that encourages and wants them to do this.

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by Retric »

thepasswordis wrote: post #448

The mask thing is actually frustrating to me in the opposite direction. The theory/intent behind cloth masks is that they might capture respiratory droplets, which might decrease mixing in a congregate setting. The cost is low, the risk is low, and the benefit (if it works) would be high. It's a no brainer: wear a mask if you are in a congregate setting until we have better data. But that isn't what MANY lay-people u…

Historically medical professionals used cloth masks which where repeatedly shown to reduce transmission risk of many airborne infections though minimal usefulness vs influenza.

Modern masks may be significantly more effective, but nothing suggests cloth masks are useless when it comes to COVID, just less effective.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by chana_masala »

kgarten wrote: post #445

It is misinformation ... I live in Japan. Everybody wears a mask here, they work ... It's the only major difference between US and Japan in terms of prevention measures. No flue season last year and lower infection rates ... How can wearing masks be a political issue? Whoever votes for these idiots, I pitty you.

I pity your reliance on anecdote as evidence, but hey that's the human condition.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #266
kingTug wrote: post #235

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Probably has something to do with the 600k+ dead Americans.

Every year, ~647,000 Americans die from heart disease alone. Even if the COVID death numbers aren't over-inflated, I guarantee you that if I were to time-travel to 2019 and ask you if you think that it would be worth precipitating a global supply chain disruption, missed schooling and medical appointments for children around the globe, both first and third world, and the greatest erosion in civil liberties in Western…

I can’t tell if this is a serious comment. Surely you know heart disease isn’t contagious.
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