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Post by quantumBerry »

nicetryguy wrote: post #424
quantumBerry wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignorance apparently is wearing a seatbelt because of your own personal decisions and risk analysis instead of some nitwit with a badge and a gun threatening to take what you've rightfully earned.

Ok. Say you do crash without wearing a seatbelt and smash your head against a windshield and sustain a head injury and survive. You're going to use additional medical resources and require months of physical therapy. You're going to drain the time and money of your family who has to now support your incapicated state. You may never be able to talk or walk again and become a drain on society for the rest of your days.…

So which are you arguing against, public healthcare or the mandates that hospitals admit emergency patients regardless of ability to pay?

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Post by nomel »

mbesto wrote: post #198
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

> Tech companies feeling competent to dictate truth is scary. What's scarier, the fact that tech companies feel competent to dictate truth or the fact that we let them?

I find it terrifying that there's a large portion of the population that encourages and wants them to do this.

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

rglover wrote: post #430
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #390

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The problem is that you still need someone to evaluate the research. I can find a citation that says thing X, and then a different citation that says !X. This is twice as much of a problem when public health authorities like the CDC will issue statements or guidance that is directly contrary to the clinical research, as has been done repeatedly in claiming that masks work to slow community transmission of SARS-2 desp…

Then an anarchist approach is preferred. Leave everything up, link to the citation, and be done with it. The problem here is the drive to babysit people's minds. There's an arrogance of "who knows best" which creates this exact problem we're seeing. People need to put a bullet in their ego and shut up.

Yes, I agree, and that's the world I want as well. One where we don't have this notion of centralized authorities who serve as sources of truth.

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Post by happyopossum »

kenjackson wrote: post #303
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #266

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Every year, ~647,000 Americans die from heart disease alone. Even if the COVID death numbers aren't over-inflated, I guarantee you that if I were to time-travel to 2019 and ask you if you think that it would be worth precipitating a global supply chain disruption, missed schooling and medical appointments for children around the globe, both first and third world, and the greatest erosion in civil liberties in Western…

600k deaths after huge mitigations. Without any mitigation’s is it 3 million in the US dead?

Compare states - Florida with almost no mitigation, vs New York, New Jersey, or California with extreme mitigation.

Go ahead and check the pre-vaccine data - there is no indication that the extreme mitigations did anything.

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Post by uwagar »

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

your use of the word fascinating is fascinating. sounds like you self censored.

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Post by ravenstine »

rglover wrote: post #377

Easy fix for matters like this: citation. If you want to remove a video or other social media post, do so temporarily pending citation. Give people a way to back up their point of view with real data/research. If there is a conflict, put one of those warning banners beneath the video and link to the cited resource. Done. Otherwise, these companies look like oligarchs participating in low-key fascism.

Where exactly would anyone get the time to read citations? That doesn't sound scalable for even a tiny website, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.

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Post by hobs »

whiddershins wrote: post #202
kube-system wrote: post #62

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If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough " he could have said that. But he's a senator. His statement was a dog whistle to his base. They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking. The word "prevent" is a red herring -- nothing is 100% -- the goal is to decrease infection, not prevent it.

This whole dog whistle thing is just a way to put whatever interpretation on someone's words you feel like.

No, it was literally a strategy explicitly used and still used by political operatives to say what they want to say without constraint, and have people defend their bullshit language.

"In 1981, former Republican Party strategist Lee Atwater, when giving an anonymous interview discussing former president Richard Nixon's Southern strategy, speculated that terms like "states' rights" were used for dog-whistling:[27][28][29]

    You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968, you can't say "nigger" – that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now, you're talking about cutting taxes. And all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me – because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."[30]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)

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Post by reubens »

rayiner wrote: post #200
kube-system wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough " he could have said that. But he's a senator. His statement was a dog whistle to his base. They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking. The word "prevent" is a red herring -- nothing is 100% -- the goal is to decrease infection, not prevent it.

They want to discredit mask mandates. Pointing out that they won’t work in practice, because people will mostly use these cloth masks that work poorly, is a perfectly legitimate basis for discrediting mask mandates that is also based on the science. It’s like pointing out that an assault weapons ban won’t meaningfully reduce homicides because the vast majority of homicides are committed using handguns. That’s a perfe…

The quote mentioned that store-bought masks don't prevent infection. He didn't say that they work poorly. The recommendations suggest that having any mask is better than having no mask.

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Post by djrogers »

rajin444 wrote: post #362
kenjackson wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

600k deaths after huge mitigations. Without any mitigation’s is it 3 million in the US dead?

How can you prove the mitigations worked? The only controls out there (Sweden, some US states, etc.) aren’t very robust (nor in favor of mitigation efforts).

There are 50 states in the US, all of which had different responses and mitigations in place last year. There is no compelling evidence that they made much difference, let alone a 5x one.

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Post by scythe »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #223
Bud wrote: post #208

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This is unquestionably misinformation, and Rand Paul needs to have a permanent muzzle installed until covid is extinct. Masks DO WORK. Yes, N95s work better than cloth masks, usually, but cloth masks work very well for reducing the likelihood that a covid-positive person will transmit the virus. This isn't controversial. Rand Paul needs to stop spreading lies on purpose, and if he won't, I fully support YouTube telli…

You are actively spreading disinformation. SARS-2 ("covid") will never be extinct. It is completely infeasible to eradicate a highly infectious zoonotic respiratory virus w/ abundant animal reservoirs. > but cloth masks work very well for reducing the likelihood that a covid-positive person will transmit the virus You cannot possibly honestly make this statement in good faith, considering that there has only ever bee…

>considering that there has only ever been one RCT done on SARS-2, and it showed no significant difference for its primary endpoint (self-infection). It didn't measure community spread, presumably because actually measuring that is extremely difficult, which is exactly why no study exists to confirm your statement.

This argument only makes sense if you think it also makes sense to disregard all non-RCT evidence for transmissibility, such as the number and momentum of droplets expelled. As the joke goes, there are no randomized controlled trials of the effectiveness of parachutes in falls from airplanes.

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