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Post by totetsu »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #240
superkuh wrote: post #221

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An unfit mask with anything more than a single centimeter^2 aperture gap is effectively What doesn't help is censoring people pointing out this nuance. What we need is N95/ffp2 mask mandates for indoors. That would really help mitigate sars-cov-2 spread. Now, unfit masks do do something. They block the spittle for sure and less than half the aerosols. But if you look at how influenza stopped spreading almost complete…

> But if you look at how influenza stopped spreading almost completely the last year and a half you have to conclude that either unfit masks with gaps do help significantly versus respiratory viruses, or, sampling for influenza cases has been borked due to the overloading need to test for sars-cov-2. I think it's three effects: (1) Acute infection with respiratory virus X is protective against respiratory virus Y. Th…

Influenza rates reduced in New Zealand which never had wide scale community infection of covid19.

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Post by csomar »

kube-system wrote: post #62
cvwright wrote: post #30

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My wife and I were looking into traveling from the US to Europe this summer, if the borders had opened up earlier. At the time, Germany was not allowing cloth masks on public transport. N95, surgical masks, or stay home. So here we have a sitting US senator being censored for agreeing with the German health authorities. WTF?!?

If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough " he could have said that. But he's a senator. His statement was a dog whistle to his base. They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking. The word "prevent" is a red herring -- nothing is 100% -- the goal is to decrease infection, not prevent it.

Are surgical/N95 masks used correctly, though? Most people do not seem to be aware that 1. they last a few hours, 2. you shouldn't remove/touch/wear them again and 3. they are not re-usable.

Masks are great if used correctly, otherwise they are massive vector of the virus and everyone is taking it with them.

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Post by bamboozled »

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

I think (I hope) it’s a side effect of the legal system pushing them to do this.

These platforms are now basically the Internet. If they don’t police misinformation, maybe they’re worried the government will come after them ?

Maybe people who care about hosting alternative views should host their own websites? Like how the Internet was designed ?

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Post by handrous »

version_five wrote: post #290
natural219 wrote: post #205

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mass civil disobedience against COVID restrictions is not only awesome, it a very explicit and central civic value of the American political mythology. I can't emphasize enough how bizarre and soviet-esque that this is even on the table as a contentious issue these days.

I see you'd been here a lot longer than I have so you know you're fighting a lost battle. I am surprised how tech folks, that I always thought had a libertarian bent, have gone full on religious conformist due to covid. I like to read HN for the tech discussions and have a bad habit of getting drawn in to these silly religious things. All I can say is I hope the mainstream extremist view here is not representative of…

> But of course Covid is killing people, so we should abandon centuries of liberal democratic tradition and hard fought freedoms to continue the great work we've done stopping it.

I'm entirely confused by this sentiment. What's been abandoned? Serious question, I have no clue what people mean when they post stuff like this.

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Post by DrJones1098 »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #276
nickthemagicman wrote: post #255

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Your science and citations and reason don't matter on the internet. Rand Paul is a medical doctor and the person you're replying to is a musician. Yet the musician has watched the mainstream news media and therefore determines that their opinion is unquestionable. Actual scientific debate (which is a fundamental process of the scientific method)..... is not even remotely an option to these people.. You're talking to…

I agree :) As always, I'm replying to their absurd comment in the hopes of enlightening a more neutral bystander. I have no illusions of being able to change their mind. They seem perfectly content to make unsourced claims that go counter to everything that's ever been discovered about immunology and virology without even the slightest hint of regret.

Agreed. It's arrogant ignorance.

The scariest part to me is that there's not even a hint of curiosity in their minds about what they're putting in their bodies and the changes in society happening. If there was they would be a little more open to questioning the narrative because if they even did a little digging they would see things arent black and white as presented.

Bill Maher is liberal and HES questioning this stuff.

This kind of authoritarian mentality has always led to negatives places for humankind.

Less than 50% of people have taken the full vaccine in America.

If it was a vote it would have lost.

There's a lot of people who agree with us.

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Post by boredumb »

kube-system wrote: post #62
cvwright wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife and I were looking into traveling from the US to Europe this summer, if the borders had opened up earlier. At the time, Germany was not allowing cloth masks on public transport. N95, surgical masks, or stay home. So here we have a sitting US senator being censored for agreeing with the German health authorities. WTF?!?

If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough " he could have said that. But he's a senator. His statement was a dog whistle to his base. They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking. The word "prevent" is a red herring -- nothing is 100% -- the goal is to decrease infection, not prevent it.

The only things that hear dog whistles are dogs.

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Post by cogman10 »

nradov wrote: post #322
cogman10 wrote: post #215

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> He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. You're right, in a separate video [1] he said "We will not wear masks!". He isn't saying "cloth masks suck, I'd be ok if we did better masks" He's saying "cloth masks suck, we should not wear any masks". Directly. No editorializing needed. > He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. Dr Oz is also a physician. He cons…

Dr. Phil (McGraw) isn't a physician. He was a psychologist.

I'm thinking Dr Oz. I get my bullshit daytime tv doctors mixed up.

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Post by nicetryguy »

rwcarlsen wrote: post #324
nicetryguy wrote: post #309

Anti-mask sentiment on HN is shocking and disappointing. They save lives. Should seatbelts be a personal choice too? Do they infringe on your "liberty"? If you want data, look at the recent case numbers of all of the southern states fighting the masks tooth and nail. EDIT: Flagged? ...really? Highly disappointing.

Yes - I believe seatbelts should also be a personal choice. Infinite safety was never a goal - and never should be. If it were, our speed limits should be 5 mph everywhere - then nobody would die in car crashes but oops, it causes too many other problems - it would be a bad tradeoff . And lost freedom is a cost that is unacceptable to many people.

What an awful argument. Your black and white thinking is unfathomably ignorant. I'll take a separated shoulder and a broken rib over death or a permanent head injury thank you.

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Post by throwaway5752 »

belorn wrote: post #316

In a diving medical video a few months ago, a diving doctor when through the different mask and what they did and what they protected against. It did not get removed or censored by Youtube, through maybe it went under detection. Surgical masks do not prevent infection to the person who wears it. They prevent spread by catching droplets so they don't spread to others. They do not filter the air you breathe, but it red…

Of course surgical masks reduce spread of covid. When they are required, everyone's chance of contracting it is lowered.

It is a just a quid pro quo. I reduce your risk of catching it from me, and you do the same for me. Everyone benefits from the arrangement.

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