YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by maxerickson » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

iammisc wrote: post #305

maxerickson wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube doesn't have any responsibility (especially legal) to the public discourse. It's weird that people have decided that privately owned companies should be required to do things they don't want to do, in the name of freedom.

> YouTube doesn't have any responsibility (especially legal) to the public discourse. Of course it does, should the government decide it does. Just like how the Civil Rights acts mandated that certain private businesses have responsibilities to serve certain classes of citizens equally. Just like the federal housing law requires landlords, corporate or not, to rent out to all people. The government is allowed to mand…

I'm speaking in the present sense, you are speaking in a hypothetical sense.

YouTube doesn't have any legal responsibility to the public discourse.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by nradov » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #215

xanaxagoras wrote: post #181

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> If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough" he could have said that. He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. > But he's a senator. He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. > His statement was a dog whistle to his base. Maybe it was. So what? > They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking.…

> He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. You're right, in a separate video [1] he said "We will not wear masks!". He isn't saying "cloth masks suck, I'd be ok if we did better masks" He's saying "cloth masks suck, we should not wear any masks". Directly. No editorializing needed. > He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. Dr Oz is also a physician. He cons…

Dr. Phil (McGraw) isn't a physician. He was a psychologist.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

bananabreakfast wrote: post #197

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #159

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I'm fine with that. It would create an even playing field in theory and that's a hell of a lot better than what we have right now which is some politicans getting to lie with impunity and others having their content removed for wrongthink.

Hate speech is not "wrongthink". Don't defend racists by pretending they are just thinking outside the box.

Don't defend the current situation by pretending that it's only hate speech and racism that are getting removed.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by rwcarlsen » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

nicetryguy wrote: post #309

Anti-mask sentiment on HN is shocking and disappointing. They save lives. Should seatbelts be a personal choice too? Do they infringe on your "liberty"? If you want data, look at the recent case numbers of all of the southern states fighting the masks tooth and nail. EDIT: Flagged? ...really? Highly disappointing.

Yes - I believe seatbelts should also be a personal choice. Infinite safety was never a goal - and never should be. If it were, our speed limits should be 5 mph everywhere - then nobody would die in car crashes but oops, it causes too many other problems - it would be a bad tradeoff. And lost freedom is a cost that is unacceptable to many people.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by sp332 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

iammisc wrote: post #259

Ygg2 wrote: post #226

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Let them? First rule of internet is don't trust things on the Internet. Cross reference and double check. Everyone makes mistakes or lies.

How can you cross reference and double check if only one side is presented and the internet is the main means by which one double checks? This is the conundrum I haven't figured out.

"The internet"? It's just YouTube. He's a senator, he has one of the biggest and most un-cancelable platforms in the world.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by xanaxagoras » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #215

xanaxagoras wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough" he could have said that. He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. > But he's a senator. He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. > His statement was a dog whistle to his base. Maybe it was. So what? > They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking.…

> He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. You're right, in a separate video [1] he said "We will not wear masks!". He isn't saying "cloth masks suck, I'd be ok if we did better masks" He's saying "cloth masks suck, we should not wear any masks". Directly. No editorializing needed. > He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. Dr Oz is also a physician. He cons…

Dr. Phil isn't a doctor. He has a Ph.D. He had a license to practice psychology in Texas that he voluntarily surrendered because of some complaint or something, I'm not going to read the details. Jill Biden isn't a doctor either. Neither is Julius "Dr. J" Erving. People can call themselves doctors without being doctors. Rand Paul is a doctor.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by drstewart » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

IIAOPSW wrote: post #229

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

It is misinformation. Masks (cloth or otherwise) were meant to reduce infectiousness, not completely prevent the possibility of infection. Masks (cloth or otherwise) do in fact reduce infectiousness. The misinformation is the implication that masks are pointless because you can still get infected. The point of masks is to get the probability of spreading it down by some multiple, not to be a personal not-my-problem-a…

So if I wear a cloth mask and never wash it and constantly touch it with my hands, does it reduce my chance of infection?

And are you 100% confident that your answer will cover all nuance and isn't misinformation, which should mean you are banned from HN for 7 days?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

pupdogg wrote: post #264

Bud wrote: post #208

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This is unquestionably misinformation, and Rand Paul needs to have a permanent muzzle installed until covid is extinct. Masks DO WORK. Yes, N95s work better than cloth masks, usually, but cloth masks work very well for reducing the likelihood that a covid-positive person will transmit the virus. This isn't controversial. Rand Paul needs to stop spreading lies on purpose, and if he won't, I fully support YouTube telli…

I could be a novice in this subject matter so please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that a state board certified Ocular Immunologist with an active license to practice would know a lot more about masks than an Information Technology expert...which part did I miss? Are you letting your emotions get the best of you?

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by calvinmorrison » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

belorn wrote: post #316

In a diving medical video a few months ago, a diving doctor when through the different mask and what they did and what they protected against. It did not get removed or censored by Youtube, through maybe it went under detection. Surgical masks do not prevent infection to the person who wears it. They prevent spread by catching droplets so they don't spread to others. They do not filter the air you breathe, but it red…

> Respiratory emissions by the wearer is reduced in a range of 0 to 90% depending on the quality and fit.

Ah the old $1.00 and up sales tactic

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by nicetryguy » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

quantumBerry wrote: post #313

nicetryguy wrote: post #309

Anti-mask sentiment on HN is shocking and disappointing. They save lives. Should seatbelts be a personal choice too? Do they infringe on your "liberty"? If you want data, look at the recent case numbers of all of the southern states fighting the masks tooth and nail. EDIT: Flagged? ...really? Highly disappointing.

>Should seatbelts be a personal choice too? Do they infringe on your "liberty"? Yes and Yes. Now you get it.

Your ignorance is disgusting. A Darwin award awaits you.