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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

fascinating is the nicest way I can imagine this being put.

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Not one time in history have the people shutting down conversation and debate been on the right side of history. Ever. If you're right you don't fear opposing ideas.

I'm trying to think of a single counter example. This is the best kind of insight. Simple and very easy to disprove, if not true.

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In a diving medical video a few months ago, a diving doctor when through the different mask and what they did and what they protected against. It did not get removed or censored by Youtube, through maybe it went under detection. Surgical masks do not prevent infection to the person who wears it. They prevent spread by catching droplets so they don't spread to others. They do not filter the air you breathe, but it red…

"A n95 without a valve has properties of both, but tend to be quite expensive and reserve for medical personal only."

They are a couple of bucks and can be reused for some time. I think supply has caught up now, and they are no longer restricted. Many people have these doe things like wood working.

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>> His statement was a dog whistle to his base. > Maybe it was. So what? It means he is being intellectually dishonest. He has a long history of such behavior, and worse, he should know better.

You have assumed negative intent and damned it in the same sentence. You should conclude by agreeing with and patting yourself on the head.

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This seems exceptionally problematic. I absolutely think everyone should use masks, but the science is clearly not in on the effectiveness of cloth masks. It's a valid area of discussion. My own opinion is that everyone should use N95-equivalent masks, but others are entitled to their opinions too. We have democratic and civic processes to decide what should be mandated, what should be recommended, what should be dis…

Sure, it's a valid area of discussion. There are valid ways to critique the effectiveness of masks. To say, however, that: "Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. That's because the virus particles can go right through them. That's still true. They don't work, there's no value. ... There's no signs to say they're preventing disease." Simply discards the science and overall consensus without addressing…

Science is a process, not a democracy. Overall consensus is irrelevant.

I know perfectly good scientists who believe cloth masks are useless. They're in the minority, and I disagree with them, but I can't classify reasonable opinions I disagree with a "misinformation."

I went against the scientific establishment early in the pandemic advocating for masks, when consensus was that they were useless. The evidence and confidence hasn't changed very much since then; the party line has. I'm glad for that change, but it'd be hypocritical of me to complain that I was censored then, and support censorship now.

I'm also glad for freedom-of-speech, and sad when it's taken away. I think it's okay to restrict freedom-of-speech when people lie -- and there's good precedent for that -- but not for differences of opinion, even (and especially) ones I disagree with.

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If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough " he could have said that. But he's a senator. His statement was a dog whistle to his base. They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking. The word "prevent" is a red herring -- nothing is 100% -- the goal is to decrease infection, not prevent it.

I am pretty sure a large number of people on "your side" (for the record I am on Rand's side on this) want to prevent it We have evidence of this First you said "2 weeks to flatten the curve" we did that, and flattened the curve hospitals were saved ... but you were not appeased then you said "a few months to reduce the deaths" we did that and death rate dropped... but you were not appeased Then you said "a few more…

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In a diving medical video a few months ago, a diving doctor when through the different mask and what they did and what they protected against. It did not get removed or censored by Youtube, through maybe it went under detection. Surgical masks do not prevent infection to the person who wears it. They prevent spread by catching droplets so they don't spread to others. They do not filter the air you breathe, but it red…

I wear an N95 with valve, very comfortable, plenty of protection I think for user. And works in a self interested context. In cases where masks required I put a surgical over it - also still very wearable.

Part of the mask rejection has been comfort. Other countries did better jobs here KN94 etc with three flaps.

I'm not sure medical does nothing for wearer. I've warn a very tight fitting medical mask - I think it would certainly make some particle transmission more difficult.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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> ineffective government mandates There's the bait and switch. You see, cloth masks aren't as effective as N95 mask, that doesn't mean they aren't effective. Nor does it mean that the government mandates to wear masks are ineffective. Frankly, you can look at nearly every other world government that issued similar guidance to the CDC and in all cases those countries did better than the US. Why? Because it wasn't a po…

You want to argue that Covid results are due to politics? Then maybe you can tell us why blue states NJ, NY, and MA have the highest death rates in the US?

Just because a state is red or blue, does not mean that everyone in that state is a democrat or republican. It's not binary.

And, in particular, with infectious disease a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

Can you tell us why the current delta deaths are pretty much entirely the unvaccinated? Care to take a stab at what the #1 predictor of vaccine status is? [1]

Also, maybe a shocker to you, but densely populated states (such as NJ, NY, and MA) tend to do poorly when a communicable disease hits. It spreads fast and the hospitals are overwhelmed.

[1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Totally agree, YouTube is in the wrong here. They are no arbitrator of truth or facts, leave that to the courts and allow 'real free speech' in online platforms.

So 'real free speech' is about requiring private companies to carry the message of a politically powerful agent of the government?

that's your definition, for me it is allowing anyone to speak their views without putting a "extreme left" sensor and calling it fake.
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