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Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by geodel »

aniforprez wrote: post #66
agloeregrets wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to the bait and switch comment, 1Password is an always-running app. Congrats, they just decided 1500MB of your ram is theirs now.

This is based on what? Poorly written apps like Slack? I'm so surprised how people make blanket statements like this. I'll wait and see how performance is affected by the change before making such uninformed judgements

So Slack developed by a billion dollar company is poorly written and not fixed for years but 1Password somehow will escape all performance issues?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by blowski »

I just can’t get on the “let’s all hate Electron because it’s non-performant” bandwagon.

I can understand why, say, a text editor in Electron might be frustrating. But in the case of 1Password, I spend barely time in the app itself so I’m really not bothered about speed.

I’m bothered about security - it’s the reason I use 1Password. I’m bothered about pricing. I’m bothered about support across different operating systems. I’m bothered about features that make adoption easier. How are these things affected?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

#103

Post by TriStateFarmer »

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #84
TriStateFarmer wrote: post #79

Can we start talking in terms of "Environmental Impact"? Work out the energy use per hour of the old vs the new system * number of installs. See how much extra millions of tons of carbon 1password is spewing into the air because of their technology change! Reminder: when a company chooses a technology stack that suits them (the developers of the software) and NOT the end users, then things tend to go badly.

Typical tech company will use 90% of it's energy running the HVAC unit so that Susan in accounting stops complaining about being cold but people will freak out cause the app uses slightly more energy.

"people freak out cause the app uses slightly more energy"

Multiply the "slightly" by 100 million installs!

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

#104

Post by steveklabnik »

pushrax wrote: post #98
steveklabnik wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using the Windows beta, and there are 3 background process. One is using 4.5mb of RAM, one 32, and one 43.9.

For reference, using native 1Password 7 on an M1 Air, the main background app is using 190.8 MB and there's another 26 MB split across two other processes...

Is that physical or virtual memory? I know that on Windows, it reports physical, but I haven't used the Mac tooling in long enough to remember.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

#105

Post by kylehotchkiss »

tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

Panic's Nova tried to take the native Mac OS app route and they did a fantastic job but just not as easy to extend VSC.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

#106

Post by Turing_Machine »

blowski wrote: post #102

I just can’t get on the “let’s all hate Electron because it’s non-performant” bandwagon. I can understand why, say, a text editor in Electron might be frustrating. But in the case of 1Password, I spend barely time in the app itself so I’m really not bothered about speed. I’m bothered about security - it’s the reason I use 1Password. I’m bothered about pricing. I’m bothered about support across different operating sys…

>I can understand why, say, a text editor in Electron might be frustrating.

Atom (my current daily driver) and Visual Studio Code are both Electron apps and are plenty fast.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by monocularvision »

riobard wrote: post #50

I'll recommend Elpass as a much, much better alternative. Completely native to Mac and iOS, and sync via iCloud. https://elpass.app

Any suggestions for a family looking to share some passwords and not others? This, for me, is the killer feature for 1Password’s subscription service and why I happily pay them each year.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

#108

Post by mrweasel »

tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

In this case we already have a reference. Lastpass had a native mac client. It wasn’t great but it was fast and relatively light weight. Their new Electron version is borderline useless for enterprise use. It takes minutes to log in, it’s slow and the interface it flaky.

It’s not unrealistic that people will fear the same is going to happen to 1Password.

VS Code is the example that shows that you can create great Electron apps, but can you name three more?

Electron get a lot of flak, because it’s misused by webdevelopers, who thinks it will magically make them able to write good desktop app.

Microsoft also had the good fortune that few expect an IDE to be particular light weight. For what it does no one is going to care if it eats a gig or two of RAM. If my chat client or password manager does the same I’m going to be annoyed.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

#109

Post by aniforprez »

geodel wrote: post #101
aniforprez wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is based on what? Poorly written apps like Slack? I'm so surprised how people make blanket statements like this. I'll wait and see how performance is affected by the change before making such uninformed judgements

So Slack developed by a billion dollar company is poorly written and not fixed for years but 1Password somehow will escape all performance issues?

Slack was actually very poorly written by their own admission until they recently overhauled a lot of it. It's not particularly all that bad anymore though I don't have access to my Mac right now to check. 1Password has taken great strides so far to improve security and enhance performance in their apps and extensions. All I can say is I will wait and see rather than make baseless accusations and hyperbole

I literally don't understand the derision. Not one person in this thread has said anything about the Linux client yet everyone wants to chime in about how electron sucks and is a resource hog without an inkling of what the actual state of their client is

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

#110

Post by pushrax »

steveklabnik wrote: post #104
pushrax wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference, using native 1Password 7 on an M1 Air, the main background app is using 190.8 MB and there's another 26 MB split across two other processes...

Is that physical or virtual memory? I know that on Windows, it reports physical, but I haven't used the Mac tooling in long enough to remember.

Physical.
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