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Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

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Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#151
post #137

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Yes, because the areas where we ignore and accept it are highly regulated and insured as a result of hundreds of years of learnings at this point. People react negatively when they see it outside of that context because it is something we have repeatedly seen fail and cause instability. This isn't hard to understand.

Yes, that is a valid distinction to make, if the arguments/concerns around Tether were merely "hey, let's make sure regular banking regulation extends to this organization as well, to make sure it's all going in tip-top shape". But that's not why people bring up the figures. They're acting like it's inherently shady to have less than 100% (or 3, or whatever) cash reserves for something that ostensibly "has your money…

> They're acting like it's inherently shady to have less than 100% (or 3, or whatever) cash reserves for something that ostensibly "has your money on demand", and such a scheme is inherently unsustainable, even though this is exactly what banks do.[1]

This is not correct.

Just because banks are fractional reserve, doesn't mean that they don't have enough assets to cover their deposits.

It means that they don't have liquid assets to cover their deposits.

If a bank ever fails to have enough assets to cover its deposits, it immediately become insolvent, and is taken away from its owners.

Tether does not have enough liquid + illiquid[1] assets to cover their deposits. If they did, they wouldn't keep dodging audits. They aren't running a fractional reserve bank, they are simply running a fraud.

The reason we let banks get away with this is because they are routinely audited, and are insured against insolvency. Tether is neither.

[1] The nature of their fraud is that they are grossly overvaluing their illiquid assets. Because they have never undergone an audit, they can get away with this - they can claim that their illiquid assets are worth , with no third party oversight.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#152

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Other than acceptance, that's a rather bold blanket statement. Visa and Mastercard handle roughly 7000 transactions per second. Solana's chain (as an example) is among the highest performing and can handle north of 50k TPS. Edit: Please challenge my position and make me think. Votes are pointless, but being proven wrong is a learning experience.

I see I'm also getting some downvotes, but I'll try to clarify just from my perspective. We looked into the option of accepting cryptocurrency as a payment method but came up against too many obstacles. Without being able to prove the provenance of client funds we would be at risk of breaching "proceeds of crime" / anti-money laundering regulations. And while the value of cryptocurrencies bounces all over the place a…

> The question our board came up with was, if the currency is pegged to the dollar, why not just accept dollars?

Lower transaction fees, no chargebacks, and being able to serve international customers effortlessly.

Agreed that accepting cryptocurrency doesn't have much appeal yet, and pitching it to a board would have mixed outcomes. I don't have any answers on provenance, and am not sure how this is being handled by the large amount of companies that currently accept it.

While adoption is low, I think most companies are opting to settle transactions to cash. This is probably the safest choice for now.

Now that I've argued for it, I also think accepting cryptocurrency doesn't fit everyone's business model yet and isn't always the best choice for some companies.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#153
post #74

Firstly, Tether is rat poison. Unfortunately, newcomers to the space identify "stable coins" = "tether" or wrongly assume that other stablecoins share similar mechanisms. There are many alternatives that operate radically differently in the nascent space. DAI is immensely exciting. Stablecoins like DAI are interesting experiments that could powerfully create new online economies. Blockchains like Ethereum are current…

Stablecoins reinforce dependence on the State, as they further entrench the fiat system that Bitcoin was meant to replace. It seems to me that this, and the rest of the "Decentralized Finance" movement is not intending to replace the current financial system, but rather reinforce it.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#155

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> if 0.26% of tether is withdrawn into currency the coin would collapse If 0.26% of Tether is withdrawn, it would need to start liquidating assets. That will, most of the time, be fine. Commercial paper is exceedingly liquid. But sometimes, the liquidation will prompt a price fall. This is a fire sale. That, in turn, prompts more redemption, as holders of Tether grow concerned about its stability. This is a bank run.…

This is your regularly scheduled reminder that no US persons are permitted to redeem Tether according to their terms of service. Further according to their terms of service only designated customers are permitted to redeem Tether, they at their sole discretion make the determination as to who is the designated customer, they are permitted to delay redemptions arbitrarily, and they are permitted to fulfill redemptions…

I'm confused, how does that capital flight work exactly? Say I start w/ $1 million in RMB, how does Tether factor in here?

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#156
post #143

Why the attraction to USDT? There are better stablecoins with real backing and audits, such as GUSD. You can trade 1.00 USDT for about 1.01 GUSD, which is strange.

> Why the attraction to USDT? It’s by far the biggest. Both by both volume and liquidity.

...and "places accepted" i.e. exchanges, DeFi companies, investors, traders, etc etc etc

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#157
post #74

Firstly, Tether is rat poison. Unfortunately, newcomers to the space identify "stable coins" = "tether" or wrongly assume that other stablecoins share similar mechanisms. There are many alternatives that operate radically differently in the nascent space. DAI is immensely exciting. Stablecoins like DAI are interesting experiments that could powerfully create new online economies. Blockchains like Ethereum are current…

Why are stable coins interesting? It's basically a thing guaranteed by single entity that promises that if the price drops they will buy tether at personal loss. It's as safe as any pre-crypto, single company e-currencies. All of which died. The only thing they have going for them is that they managed to place thrmselves as currency of the crypto market.

Stable coins like Tether are not interesting, for precisely the reason you stated. DAI is decentralized, not like Tether.

Stable coins with centralized generation are not interesting.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#158
post #109

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Was 2008 an issue of lack of regulation or lack of enforcement? I thought it was more about "too big to fail" attitudes preventing enforcement from being fairly applied to the largest participants.

It's a little unclear, because (like many things in public policy) there's several putative explanations for what caused the crises, peoples' preconceived notions color which ones they favor, and it's manifestly unclear who is right. And it should be remembered that "everyone" is a perfectly plausible answer. At a broader level, there is most consensus on the idea that the key failure in 2008 was that no one--neither…

That doesn't square with Goldman's bankers chopping up and retranching known low quality derivatives, submitting them to the rater, and not being surprised when they were rated far less risky than the same mortgages when rated in previous tranches. To some degree there is blame to be shared, but there is also fraud for which nobody was truly held accountable.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#159
post #74

Firstly, Tether is rat poison. Unfortunately, newcomers to the space identify "stable coins" = "tether" or wrongly assume that other stablecoins share similar mechanisms. There are many alternatives that operate radically differently in the nascent space. DAI is immensely exciting. Stablecoins like DAI are interesting experiments that could powerfully create new online economies. Blockchains like Ethereum are current…

Why are stable coins interesting? It's basically a thing guaranteed by single entity that promises that if the price drops they will buy tether at personal loss. It's as safe as any pre-crypto, single company e-currencies. All of which died. The only thing they have going for them is that they managed to place thrmselves as currency of the crypto market.

Because not all depend on a company buying at personal loss. DAI has a complex mechanism (at least to me). To keep itself oscillating around 1usd. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_(cryptocurrency)

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#160
post #155

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This is your regularly scheduled reminder that no US persons are permitted to redeem Tether according to their terms of service. Further according to their terms of service only designated customers are permitted to redeem Tether, they at their sole discretion make the determination as to who is the designated customer, they are permitted to delay redemptions arbitrarily, and they are permitted to fulfill redemptions…

I'm confused, how does that capital flight work exactly? Say I start w/ $1 million in RMB, how does Tether factor in here?

You go to an OTC desk in China, you buy Tethers with $1M USD worth of RMB, you send the Tethers out of China and cash them out either directly at Coinbase or via BTC. [1]

There's been a big market for escaping RMB capital controls since they were instituted, often via various gangs and casinos [2]

[1] https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1424897022268645379

[2] https://www.casino.org/news/us-marshals-service-to-seize-imp...

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