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#101

So if Rand Paul is democratically elected and YouTube silences him, then in effect YouTube is silencing the population that elected Rand Paul. Furthermore (I can't see the video) - if he did indeed simply quote two peer-reviewed papers is it right to suspend him? As an exercise, which of the following statements are correct: 1. Gaiter masks will stop you from getting COVID-19 2. Surgical masks will stop you from gett…

Totally silenced. A ban from YouTube comes with a ban from Fox News, NewsMax, Twitter, Facebook, newspapers, local TV stations... /s

Not /s in the future, according to Jen Psaki:

You shouldn’t be banned from one platform and not others if you — for providing misinformation out there.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/202...

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#102

‘masks’ is about as vague as ‘food’ There are good and bad masks, just as there is good and bad food. A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol (note: am a researcher who has seen the electron microscopy images proving this), that is why N95s are mandated with no beards in any ISO work environment where you are subjected to aerosol risk. The inability of public dialog on this nuance is just a reflection of…

> The inability of public dialog on this nuance is just a reflection of our poor scientific education.

This is the only part of your comment I disagree with. “Science” has very little sway in cultural debates with either side.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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‘masks’ is about as vague as ‘food’ There are good and bad masks, just as there is good and bad food. A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol (note: am a researcher who has seen the electron microscopy images proving this), that is why N95s are mandated with no beards in any ISO work environment where you are subjected to aerosol risk. The inability of public dialog on this nuance is just a reflection of…

What's really problematic is authentic, substantially N95-equivalent masks are now: - Available - Cheap - Plentiful - Comfortable Without a conversation, it's impossible to get people to wear them. As a footnote, COVID19 spreads through both large droplets and aerosol, and infection is highly dependent on initial viral load. Eliminating large droplets is helpful, especially on the way out.

especially on the way out

This doesn't matter to Paul. Him, and most of his colleagues/voters, etc. base their ideals on individualism. To them, pro-social behavior, like wearing a mask to protect others, is inconceivable.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

#104

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How is blocking X% of the virus particles less impactful if there's more of them? Fewer particles admitted means reduced chance of infection, no? Always better to less virus particles than more.

Fewer particles admitted means reduced chance of infection, no? The thing to keep in mind is that blocking 50% of the particles does not mean a 50% reduction in infection. It may mean a 50% reduction in infection -- or it may mean a basically zero percent reduction. It depends on the exposure. Say that in a particular covid-filled room you have a 50% chance of being infected after 5 minutes and a 99.9% chance of bein…

Pregnancy is boolean. A person's viral load is not a boolean value.

The umbrella is a better comparison. My umbrella doesn't prevent 100% of the rain from coming in contact with me. This is good enough that the umbrella is still standard practice.

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Yeah, it really doesn't seem all that plausible that cloth masks do much at this point. Not only was there never good evidence for them working, the best ones only block something like 90% of virus-bearing particles. To put this in context current estimates seem to be that people infected with Delta produce 100-1000x the amount of virus that previous variants did; the effect of mask wearing is absolutely miniscule co…

I don't follow this reasoning. An imperfect mask is surely going to result in a borderline contacts with infection being non-infections. The debate is "by how much" and without really clear evidence to the contrary, the precautionary principle wins. Wearing masks is usually only a minor inconvenience. I'm gobsmacked how it's become such a battleground.

Wearing masks is usually only a minor inconvenience.

It's a minor inconvenience at the grocery store.

It's a major inconvenience to wear one at gyms.

It's a major inconvenience with regards to socializing with friends (a core human need), I really hate not being able to read other people's facial expressions when I talk to them.

It's a major inconvenience to require it at schools. It's horrible for kids not to be able to see the facial expressions of their teachers or classmates (especially when learning how to read and pronounce words!).

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

#106

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You mean the one where Rudy Giuliani sat in front of a camera with a "Macbook" purported to be Hunter Biden's even though it was an LG and ole Rudy just wasn't smart enough to know the difference?

> sat in front of a camera with a "Macbook" purported to be Hunter Biden's I heard they'd been provided with a copy of the hard drive; and have not seen an assertion that they had anything more or claimed to.

Nope. Rudy isn't smart enough to know the difference. He sat on one of Crowder's shows and literally held up an LG and then said that it was one of the hard drives.

Just watch this little link for a few seconds:

https://youtu.be/GureRbH-_Xs?t=346

Now, what use would be shoving a Macbook drive into an LG computer?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

#107

Yeah, this is screwed-up. I have been vaccinated, and I always still wear a mask when shopping or otherwise indoors. But, I don't have the right to tell other people what to do, and YouTube does not have the right to "cancel" an elected senator who is both a doctor and has had covid-19. I think that the Senator is probably wrong about masks, but I support his right to speak his mind. Corporations that own public foru…

Youtube most definitely has the right to determine what they're going to show on their platform. You may not agree with their choices, but it's their right. It is easy and cheap to host videos online that can be easily linked to and viewed by anyone.

When this all turns around on you (and history says it will because it always does), remember you asked for your voice and the voice of those with similar views to yours to be silenced. Don't expect those whose voices you cheered to be muffled to come to your rescue. Yelling hypocrite won't save you. It's guaranteed to happen. There's no if here, only a when.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

They don't work? This article is claiming otherwise: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

Does it ? The article seems to be mostly conjecture or studies on properly worn N95 masks (whose efficacy is not in question here).

> Osterholm, in Minnesota,director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, wears a mask. Yet he laments the “lack of scientific rigour” that has so far been brought to the topic. “We criticize people all the time in the science world for making statements without any data,” he says. “We’re doing a lot of the same thing here.”

This is literally how the article ends. It ends with a general acknowledgement of lack of understanding on the topic. That masks make intuitive sense, but the quality of research wrt. to it is pretty shabby.

It doesn't help that the likelihood of getting covid in outdoor settings is significantly lower than those indoors. Unfortunately, the masks almost immediately come off the second we are in this low ventilation + easily aerosolize-able environment. Mandates that are unenforceable under the constitutional structure of your nation are pointless grandstanding. (I generally question the holiness of constitutions too, but that's a whole another discussion)

Additionally no one enforces them to be worn correctly and people abandon social distancing the second their wear a mask. So they become generic tools to target and slander people rather than offer any real protection. Reminds me of post-9/11 safety measures that were intrusive enough that they could always find a bullshit reason for stop a brown person at the security checkpoint. It became an excuse for targeting ones you already had in mind, rather than ensure any real security.

I would have actually supported mandates for N95 masks and support a requirement for vaccine/anti-body mandate. (As far as we know, getting covid gives a strong enough immunity) Both would be just as draconian as the other recommendations, but, neither are useful tools for polarization, so both sides of the establishment conveniently ignore it.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

In before "If Rand Paul doesn't like it, he can create his own platform." Next step is banning video for any usage of "he" or "she", because only monsters assume someone's gender.

edit: as my ego is bruised from the downvotes here, I'll quote Sir William Sidney when he was imprisoned by Napoleon: "Fortune's wheel makes strange revolutions, it must be confessed; but for the term revolution to be applicable, the turn of the wheel must be complete. You are today as high as you can be. Very well. I envy not your good fortune, for mine is better still. I am as low in the career of ambition as a man can well descend; so that, let this capricious dame, fortune, turn her wheel ever so little--I must necessarily mount, for the same reason you must descend."

So, people clapping blatant this censorship, don't be surprised when future Trump-like figure takes the lead and uses the same tools for censoring your own side. I hope you will at least have the integrity to say "fair enough".

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

#110
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An imperfect mask is surely going to result in a borderline contacts with infection being non-infections. Not necessarily. The mask blocks the virus going both ways, so maybe only 10% of the virus particles get inside the mask, but 90% of those that would be exhaled also stay inside the mask. This is not an opinion on whether masks work, just an illustration that it's plausible they don't.

Napkin math would be: 90% of infected person virus stays in 90% of virus does not get in for a healthy person So 1% (10% through * 10% through) of final particles will be inside the mask. Hence roughly 0.9% of particles (90% stays inside of the mask of the healthy person) would stick around by this logic Vs 100% of particles that could enter will enter without any sort of mask

Even for napkin math we'd need reasonably good approximations, but we're missing a crucial number (how many virus particles are normally exhaled?) and I don't know if 90% blockage is accurate either (I'm just using it as an example because other posts in this thread have used that number).
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