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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by ALittleLight »

makomk wrote: post #20
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

Yeah, it really doesn't seem all that plausible that cloth masks do much at this point. Not only was there never good evidence for them working, the best ones only block something like 90% of virus-bearing particles. To put this in context current estimates seem to be that people infected with Delta produce 100-1000x the amount of virus that previous variants did; the effect of mask wearing is absolutely miniscule co…

How is blocking X% of the virus particles less impactful if there's more of them? Fewer particles admitted means reduced chance of infection, no? Always better to less virus particles than more.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by danhak »

swashboon wrote: post #26
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

Except they are effective. They are not as effective as a N95 mask but all scientific data shows they are still effective and reducing transmission rate in a population.

Why haven't we seen significantly better outcomes in states with mask mandates vs. those without?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by gumby »

There are plenty of ways to hear someone's message, especially someone famous. I have to wonder if RP specifically experimented to get this to happen so he could get the extra publicity and victim credibility.

A friend recently posted a YouTube video on FB. It was someone complaining that their voice was being "silenced" so that nobody could learn what the complainer had to say. And BTW (at front and end of the diatribe, as well as in the text under the video) "instead you should visit my web site at XXX which has all my videos and articles." The clown may have encountered some resistance to posting some videos on YouTube but has no problem getting their message out for anyone who wanted it. The victim card was used to drive traffic to their own web site.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by fighterpilot »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #8

‘masks’ is about as vague as ‘food’ There are good and bad masks, just as there is good and bad food. A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol (note: am a researcher who has seen the electron microscopy images proving this), that is why N95s are mandated with no beards in any ISO work environment where you are subjected to aerosol risk. The inability of public dialog on this nuance is just a reflection of…

> A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol

"In unpublished work, Linsey Marr, an environmental engineer at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, and her colleagues found that even a cotton T-shirt can block half of inhaled aerosols and almost 80% of exhaled aerosols measuring 2 µm across. Once you get to aerosols of 4–5 µm, almost any fabric can block more than 80% in both directions, she says."

"Benn worked with Danish engineers at her university to test their two-layered cloth mask design using the same criteria as for medical-grade ventilators. They found that their mask blocked only 11–19% of aerosols down to the 0.3 µm mark, according to Benn. But because most transmission is probably occurring through particles of at least 1 µm, according to Marr and Jimenez, the actual difference in effectiveness between N95 and other masks might not be huge."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by evgeniysharapov »

swashboon wrote: post #26
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

Except they are effective. They are not as effective as a N95 mask but all scientific data shows they are still effective and reducing transmission rate in a population.

what "scientific data" ?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by andybak »

makomk wrote: post #20
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

Yeah, it really doesn't seem all that plausible that cloth masks do much at this point. Not only was there never good evidence for them working, the best ones only block something like 90% of virus-bearing particles. To put this in context current estimates seem to be that people infected with Delta produce 100-1000x the amount of virus that previous variants did; the effect of mask wearing is absolutely miniscule co…

I don't follow this reasoning. An imperfect mask is surely going to result in a borderline contacts with infection being non-infections. The debate is "by how much" and without really clear evidence to the contrary, the precautionary principle wins.

Wearing masks is usually only a minor inconvenience. I'm gobsmacked how it's become such a battleground.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

1MachineElf wrote: post #28
thaumasiotes wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seeing platforms control the narrative to this extent is truly fascinating. I never thought it would be as overt as it is. Remember the Hunter Biden's laptop story?

Add to that, remember when a president was impeached over a "conspiracy theory" regarding Hunter Biden's time at Burisma? One year later, fact checkers had to admit that the FBI was indeed investigating him. Edit: From +5 points to -1 in one hour - I didn't realize so many Burisma employees read HN!

It's fun to pretend and play make believe, but that's not why he was impeached.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by [deleted] »

cvwright wrote: post #30
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

My wife and I were looking into traveling from the US to Europe this summer, if the borders had opened up earlier. At the time, Germany was not allowing cloth masks on public transport. N95, surgical masks, or stay home. So here we have a sitting US senator being censored for agreeing with the German health authorities. WTF?!?

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by spiderice »

ecshafer wrote: post #22
mensetmanusman wrote: post #8

‘masks’ is about as vague as ‘food’ There are good and bad masks, just as there is good and bad food. A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol (note: am a researcher who has seen the electron microscopy images proving this), that is why N95s are mandated with no beards in any ISO work environment where you are subjected to aerosol risk. The inability of public dialog on this nuance is just a reflection of…

So you agree with him, as he is saying specifically that not all masks offer protection, and that cloth masks don't.

Don't let Youtube hear you say that
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