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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by crottypeter »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #8

‘masks’ is about as vague as ‘food’ There are good and bad masks, just as there is good and bad food. A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol (note: am a researcher who has seen the electron microscopy images proving this), that is why N95s are mandated with no beards in any ISO work environment where you are subjected to aerosol risk. The inability of public dialog on this nuance is just a reflection of…

> A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol

I thought the reason we should all wear masks is to protect everyone else around us by preventing our breathing/speaking from creating clouds of airbourne droplets.

I.E. it is supposed to filter the air you put out more than the air you breathe in.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by dantheman »

dtagames wrote: post #9
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

Indeed. Tech companies now silence politicians unilaterally, while governments made up of the same politicians do nothing to stop the widespread flow of toxic misinformation on tech platforms. So, who is really in charge?

You have no right to use someone else's printing press. The government can easily create their own video hosting platform. Just like the NYTimes doesn't need to allow any politician to submit an oped.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by lsllc »

danhak wrote: post #32
swashboon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they are effective. They are not as effective as a N95 mask but all scientific data shows they are still effective and reducing transmission rate in a population.

Why haven't we seen significantly better outcomes in states with mask mandates vs. those without?

As a single data point: despite a universal mask mandate that was enacted early on (May 6th 2020) along with a very high compliance, Massachusetts had the 3rd highest COVID death rate in the US (as of Aug 9):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by b0sk »

underseacables wrote: post #61
spiderice wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? It's easy to find a million articles that say whatever you need them to say. The point is that Youtube has decided which articles are "right" and "wrong", when they have no business deciding such things.

Therefore they should lose sec 230 protections.

Losing sec 230 protections would mean more ban-hammer for lying politicians (about elections, vaccines etc.)

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Post by endisneigh »

darksaints wrote: post #67
endisneigh wrote: post #5

So if Rand Paul is democratically elected and YouTube silences him, then in effect YouTube is silencing the population that elected Rand Paul. Furthermore (I can't see the video) - if he did indeed simply quote two peer-reviewed papers is it right to suspend him? As an exercise, which of the following statements are correct: 1. Gaiter masks will stop you from getting COVID-19 2. Surgical masks will stop you from gett…

None of the above. The only mask that will stop you from getting covid are masks that will also stop you from breathing. Different masks have different effectiveness in different environments with different risk levels. Cloth masks may be inappropriate in some environments while being effective in others. Research has consistently shown that 3-point seatbelts are completely inadequate in auto racing environments when…

I'm not here to argue whether or not cloth masks are safe or not since I'm not a scientist. The point is that there's hardly a consensus and it seems wrong to ban someone who's skeptical and cites peer reviewed research.

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Post by rootsudo »

vlovich123 wrote: post #53

Took a bit of searching to find Paul’s statement where he claims to have support from studies. Does anyone know which studies these are? > A Danish study of 6000 participants found that wearing a surgical mask did not significantly reduce a person's risk of COVID-19 infection, compared to the risks facing those who did not wear masks. > And a Vietnamese study of 1600 participants found that cloth masks allow for 97%…

There is no game, this is normal standard information not being understood. Information asymmetry.

1. Everyone assumes they have the same level of understanding as themselves.

2. Everyone assumes some protection is better than no protection - while this makes sense on paper, it also can encourage more social behavior, which then increases risk of infection.

3. Cloth masks do absorb, and can retain liquid which means it could increase rate of infection assuming the mask is not cleaned daily or replaced.

I'm pro mask, simply because it hides my face and in this world that was something outside of Asia I would get double/triple looks for.

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Post by hedgehog »

Even poorly fitted cloth masks or a bandana will do a little bit for source control. That's useful to help contain spread, we just need to push the exponent on infection growth below 1.0. COVID's vicious feature is not that it's extraordinarily dangerous on a per-case basis, it's that it spreads so easily and even in people without symptoms. Clearly it would be better if everyone wore N95 quality masks, and that's the level you need to really protect yourself, but if nearly everyone got vaccinated and wore even a mediocre mask we could starve the pandemic out in a month or two.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by danhak »

jacquesm wrote: post #42
danhak wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why haven't we seen significantly better outcomes in states with mask mandates vs. those without?

That's not how this works. You can only compare with the future that wasn't. People may decide all by themselves that wearing a mask is a good idea, mandate or not, and then there is the point that not all masks are created equal, which is the subject of this thread.

Is your argument that outcomes of different policy decisions cannot be compared across different jurisdictions?

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Post by skybrian »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #8

‘masks’ is about as vague as ‘food’ There are good and bad masks, just as there is good and bad food. A cloth mask will not protect you against an aerosol (note: am a researcher who has seen the electron microscopy images proving this), that is why N95s are mandated with no beards in any ISO work environment where you are subjected to aerosol risk. The inability of public dialog on this nuance is just a reflection of…

It seems like thinking in terms of works/doesn’t work is excessively binary, as is will/won’t protect you. Some masks are more effective than others.

If you insist on 100% protection then n95 masks don’t “work” and neither do vaccines but that’s misleading as a public heath campaign.

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Post by darksaints »

endisneigh wrote: post #63
andybak wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the obviously incorrect phrase "will stop you" in all of those options? As opposed to a more reasonable "will reduce the probability of"?

Rand Paul used the dichotomy of "works" vs. "doesn't work" which is in line with "stops" vs. "doesn't stop."

It's a false dichotomy. None of them will stop covid. Some will just do better than others in different situations.
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