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Australia is becoming a surveillance state
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Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
The usual surveillance scapegoats, terrorists, drug dealers, pedophiles. Organized crime used to be the other one, but "foreign state sponsored cyber attacks" are very in vogue at the moment.
To be fair, Australia strangely enough struggles with plenty of organized crime in drug distribution.
And Casino operation[0][1]
[0]: https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/why-is-james-packe...
[1]: https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/fraudulent-scam-cr...
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what are we Aussies missing out on then?
I don't expect you to understand, but in Europe, people actually care about their rights [1]. There are weekly protests with lots of impact [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28139889 [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/protest-stop-c...
Link 2 is a 404 for me.
Hilariously, Australians protest about their rights by trying their best to extend lockdowns further [1].
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/24/anti-...
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#84Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Corporate interests own the media, politicians, food production, education etc. and no one cares, because Life Is Good. Why expect anything to change, or people to care about strong democratic in…
Can you flesh this out more? I'm not asking for academic rigour, but at the moment it's hard to engage because your critique is so sweeping and unspecific.
It's just bog standard Australian cultural cringe.
I've spent a good chunk of my adulthood living in various countries in Europe, and Australia.
Europhilic nonsense such as in the GP betray their almost total lack of understanding as to the actual state of affairs in European countries.
Corruption is everywhere. Corporate interests influence policy.. everywhere. Moronic government decisions abound.. literally everywhere. Nasty media companies... everywhere. Imperfect educational systems ... everywhere. The racism in Western Europe is _significantly_ worse, I can tell you that from personal experience. in Europe, you can be the wrong kind of white in your OWN country - just talk to some Catalans or Basques about what that's like...
...but of course your country kid from Tamworth will have no idea of any of that while they go off clubbing in Berlin or living their French food fantasy in Lyon because 1 - They don't speak the language, which means 2 - They can't understand the news and also means 3 - They can't talk to actual locals about what real life is like there.
Yet EuRopE is So mUCh bEttEr.
(Just wait until they start interacting with the German, French or Spanish bureaucracies and see what kind of tune they're singing after 2 years.. )
And even worse, they think the English speaking populace of any country is a reflection of what the rest of that country is like. The naivete is astounding. Literally the worst kind of Australian that exists.
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we just have a lot of faith in our institutions. We just can't believe the state would ever be used as a weapon against us because we've never experienced large scale civil upheaval or suffered under periods of dictatorship. People rattling on about slippery slopes and abstract notions of liberty just seem a bit batty to most Australians. We have a free media, our elections are free and fair, we have routine…
I’m seeing so many negative comments about Australia and yet this is the Australia that I know and love deeply. I wonder what’s causing the stark differences in view.
Just different perspectives I suppose. American elections seem farcical to me but lots of Americans don't seem to agree with me.
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#86Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Corporate interests own the media, politicians, food production, education etc. and no one cares, because Life Is Good. Why expect anything to change, or people to care about strong democratic in…
Don't forget they disarmed the people. If some people ever start to care they wont have the boomstick power. They maybe be upside down but authoritarian regimes work the same, secure the monopoly on force by removing arms is a key step for any authoritarian gov.
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we just have a lot of faith in our institutions. We just can't believe the state would ever be used as a weapon against us because we've never experienced large scale civil upheaval or suffered under periods of dictatorship. People rattling on about slippery slopes and abstract notions of liberty just seem a bit batty to most Australians. We have a free media, our elections are free and fair, we have routine…
I’m seeing so many negative comments about Australia and yet this is the Australia that I know and love deeply. I wonder what’s causing the stark differences in view.
I too love Australia. I lived there for 4 years.
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what are we Aussies missing out on then?
I don't expect you to understand, but in Europe, people actually care about their rights [1]. There are weekly protests with lots of impact [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28139889 [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/protest-stop-c...
>I don't expect you to understand, but in Europe, people actually care about their rights [1]
That's a bit condescending. In recent weeks there were tens of thousands of people marching on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne to protest covid lockdowns and defend their right to free assembly.
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#89One theory I read once is that Australia leads the way with these laws for the other members of the five eyes to eventually follow. Is there any truth in this?
Australia is often used as a testing ground since it's part of five eyes and a) people there don't have many legally enshrined rights (no bill of rights) besides stuff like right to political expression and religion, and b) the population is complacent and won't kick up a fuss about the immoral crap the government enacts.
... this is such nonsense ... do you pay any attention at all to the politics of the US, Canada, NZ or the UK? Do you really think they're in a dark room coordinating their laws with Australian government, deciding who will go first?
Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't expect you to understand, but in Europe, people actually care about their rights [1]. There are weekly protests with lots of impact [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28139889 [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/protest-stop-c...
Link 2 is a 404 for me. Hilariously, Australians protest about their rights by trying their best to extend lockdowns further [1]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/24/anti-...
Why is it hilarious? The whole point of human rights is they they don't just disappear whenever there's an emergency, otherwise the next dictator who comes along will just declare an emergency and violate everyone's rights, as has happened countless times in history. It's sad not funny that people protesting their rights being violated just leads to their rights being violated even more.