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Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

#51

Since 2015 and the meta data laws it’s no wonder things have continued to get worse. There was practically no opposition to the meta data laws. No popular resistance. No protests. It’s a non-issue for the public or political class. The extent to which non-tech people in my social circles care is to switch to signal. Not that they’ve stopped using the other tools. There seems to be a “what else can we do” attitude. Un…

National security of Australia?

What?

Security from who?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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It is not possible to reduce R below 1 through vaccination alone with the current vaccines and the current Delta variant. The press has had a tendency to downplay or even outright lie about this, especially in countries with lower vaccine uptakes where it's politically convenient, but the British press and medical experts seem to be a bit more upfront with this now that 75% of adults are fully vaccinated and almost 9…

But what about the current vaccines + Delta + some minor measures? This is what works in most EU countries now. I'd much rather deal with some minor distancing instead of having to ID myself everywhere I go. Also, most people in the UK have been vaccinated with AstraZeneca which is much less effective (and this Pollard guy has a huge commercial interest in that so this won't factor into his story)

The current vaccines + some minor measures probably wouldn't be enough. It's quite plausible that the Delta variant spreads as effectively in a fully vaccinated population as the original variant did in an entirely unvaccinated one, and you can probably remember what it took to get that somewhat under control. The UK does to have relatively stable case and infection numbers without major official restrictions, but we have a lot of natural immunity and large voluntary reductions in the level of social interaction, plus it's summer here.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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> I think we're going too far to accomodate those who won't get vaccinated. If everyone gets it, this scanning wouldn't be necessary If every last man woman and child on the planet get vaccinated; if every mouse, cat, dog, ferret, pig, monkey and deer get vaccinated too, the potential for a breakout vaccine resistant infection is still there . Also, there is still virtually zero talk of implementing vaccine exemption…

> My country hasn't hired more nurses, built more ICU beds, legislated for or supported better air circulation indoors, or subsidised antigen testing - but they have implemented a vaccine passport for cafes and restaurants, against the advice of our council on civil liberties, our data privacy chief, and the WHO covid envoy. We're told it's a temporary measure, and I have no doubt that it will be as "temporary" as th…

> Yeah this is what bothers me too.

Yet you fell for government propaganda and report the fault on people who don't want to take part in clinical trial. The restriction of liberty with a vaccinal passport is purely a political choice and has nothing with health per se. A lot of countries are doing fine without it.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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The usual surveillance scapegoats, terrorists, drug dealers, pedophiles. Organized crime used to be the other one, but "foreign state sponsored cyber attacks" are very in vogue at the moment.

To be fair, Australia strangely enough struggles with plenty of organized crime in drug distribution.

I won't accept your "to be fair", since it shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Just heavily regulated.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

#55

Since 2015 and the meta data laws it’s no wonder things have continued to get worse. There was practically no opposition to the meta data laws. No popular resistance. No protests. It’s a non-issue for the public or political class. The extent to which non-tech people in my social circles care is to switch to signal. Not that they’ve stopped using the other tools. There seems to be a “what else can we do” attitude. Un…

I blame NewsCorp and Nine Entertainment as well as the “she’ll be right” attitude of most fellow Aussies. It’s kind of funny the way the media cried when the Federal Police raided the ABC and they cried victim. Yet dodgy law after dodgy law gets passed and no one bats an eyelid. The relationship the media has with government is disturbing but I guess they are bought and paid for now that the News Media Bargaining Cod…

Also the police harassment of FriendlyJordies, where the deputy premier of NSW fabricated allegations to get the counter-terrorism police to arrest a journalist. Scary. Nascent police state vibes and few people care.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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It already has been for a long time. Freedom and liberty are practiced differently in Australia.

I think we just have a lot of faith in our institutions. We just can't believe the state would ever be used as a weapon against us because we've never experienced large scale civil upheaval or suffered under periods of dictatorship. People rattling on about slippery slopes and abstract notions of liberty just seem a bit batty to most Australians.

We have a free media, our elections are free and fair, we have routine transfers of power, minor parties are well represented in our parliaments, and we're generally free express our minds and go about our lives.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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post #50

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But what about the current vaccines + Delta + some minor measures? This is what works in most EU countries now. I'd much rather deal with some minor distancing instead of having to ID myself everywhere I go. Also, most people in the UK have been vaccinated with AstraZeneca which is much less effective (and this Pollard guy has a huge commercial interest in that so this won't factor into his story)

The current vaccines + some minor measures probably wouldn't be enough. It's quite plausible that the Delta variant spreads as effectively in a fully vaccinated population as the original variant did in an entirely unvaccinated one, and you can probably remember what it took to get that somewhat under control. The UK does to have relatively stable case and infection numbers without major official restrictions, but we…

The vaccines limit the mortality rate a lot though so it's much less of an issue. Eventually we will all have to build up natural immunity anyway because the virus will not go away. And natural immunity is adaptive. And a low mortality risk makes it much less of an issue to let it spread IMO. The biggest issue with Covid is that it's a 'novel' virus that nobody had any immunity to. Once we do it'll take the edge off it and it'll just be another of those minor illnesses we shouldn't worry too much about.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Since 2015 and the meta data laws it’s no wonder things have continued to get worse. There was practically no opposition to the meta data laws. No popular resistance. No protests. It’s a non-issue for the public or political class. The extent to which non-tech people in my social circles care is to switch to signal. Not that they’ve stopped using the other tools. There seems to be a “what else can we do” attitude. Un…

There are far bigger issues in Australia right now to care about meta data logging. Climate change and now the vaccine delay consume all of the publics attention. Metadata logging is a theoretical issue while the lack of vaccine supplies is a very real and immediate issue.

> Metadata logging is a theoretical issue

There are over 350,000 requests a year for metadata, about ~1000 a day. Any level of government can make a request, right down to local councils of towns with 2000 people. The oversight committee is comprised of three bureaucrats who have never found a single instance of the system being abused in years. In fact all the instances of misuse have been self-reported by agencies.

Metadata itself seems like an innocuous term but includes the location of every single mobile phone in the country. The enormous cost of all this is passed onto the consumer and the government doesn't subsidise reporting entities at all.

What exactly is "theoretical" about all that?

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