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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by nomoreplease »

zepto wrote: post #178
hsorbo wrote: post #176

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https://www.macworld.com/article/232305/apple-privacy-billbo...

“What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone” Seems like this is still true. CSAM checking only happens when you choose to upload your photos to iCloud Photo Library.

Apple has been using some dark patterns to force people to use iCloud. Telling them they haven’t finished setting up their phone. It notifies you until you sign up for the free tier, and then when that’s filled up it pesters you again

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by pseudalopex »

babesh wrote: post #209
pseudalopex wrote: post #200

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What do you call Tarsnap, rsync.net, S3, and Backblaze?

> the major storage providers **major**

Their claim wasn't limited to major storage providers. And what do you call S3?

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by h4x0r12345 »

z77dj3kl wrote: post #171
h4x0r12345 wrote: post #72

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Linux is coming to the M1. We need to sponsor this project https://asahilinux.org

You can't even use Linux on Intel Macs properly, no chance it'll work on the M1 anytime soon. The kernel might boot in some form, but last time I checked, even the SSD wasn't working on Intel Macs under Linux.

https://t2linux.org

It runs well if you have the time, patience and expertise. There's no fundamental technical barriers. It's purely a matter of enough development resources being committed to the project. I think Apples recent moves would motivate more developers to work on it.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by h4waii »

busymom0 wrote: post #101
beepboop43 wrote: post #29

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running it virtually is also an option. I run macos in virtualbox for the times I need it (for me that's not daily) and have no issues with it

Do you know if Xcode can run+build+submit apps on VM?

If by chance you're doing React Native, Expo has a cloud build service I can highly recommend.

There might be other build services for different languages.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by Thorrez »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #93
Thorrez wrote: post #67

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Reverse engineers can examine the snitch to see what it's looking for. Without semi-E2E, Apple could hand over every photo of every account to China and we would be none the wiser.

Apple has to follow local law. Rightfully so IMO the very last thing I want is US companies making us all honorary Americans.

The problem is when local law requests data on someone from another country. Then everyone in the world's iCloud data is only as private as the least private country with influence over Apple (the US isn't that country IMO).

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by planb »

pseudalopex wrote: post #200
planb wrote: post #61

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> The hard part would be getting the US security apparatus to allow it. This is why ALL the major storage providers DON'T support end-to-end encryption. I don't think so. The reason is there's no money to be earned with being simply a storage provider. Additional processing, indexing, workflow tools etc. is what people pay for. That's not possible with E2E encryption.

What do you call Tarsnap, rsync.net, S3, and Backblaze?

This isn't the kind of "storage provider" we were talking about. As long as you simply put blobs in there, you don't need end to end encryption, you can simply do the encryption yourself (like people do with these services).

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by onethought »

jiocrag wrote: post #179
onethought wrote: post #63

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This is all pure speculation. Everyone in china is using WeChat anyway. China have this capability already. No one is sitting around a table thinking: "What do we do about Apple Messages", and if they were their solution would be: Block Apple messages. NOT: Ask an American company to implement spying for us and trust that they'll do it accurately... non sensical. As pointed out this feature isn't even being launched…

This is pure BS. "Everyone in China is using WeChat anyway." Really? Chinese citizens don't use their iPhone cameras to store photos locally? They only use WeChat to take pictures and store them? Gee, you should tell Apple AND Tencent this! It would dramatically shift their product development path. Where did Apple Messages come into play? What does that have to do with locally stored photos? "This feature isn't even…

My point was the gov can already track everything because they are hooked into WeChat. So yeah… they don’t care what Apple do, cause as soon as it’s on WeChat they can see it.

That’s why I mentioned Messages… because that’d be the alternative.

Literally the OP said: “it’s China that is causing Apple to do this”… so in answer to your question: the OP.

Not apologising for the Chinese government. Do you call Biden administration a regime?

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by onethought »

vineyardmike wrote: post #191
onethought wrote: post #132

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Not at all. But the consistent “China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things” is infuriating. Then when you point out the fallacy of this kind of thinking getting one word: “source” adds to the frustration. Even if it was launched globally it didn’t at all invalidate my point. They would ban the entire App in question, not back door it. See Facebook/Twitter as a well known example.

TLDR: China is bad. This change is probably not because of china, but china will certainly use it. > China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things China (the gov) is evil. > is the reason These pure US companies do bad things The companies are not pure. China certain does things to coerce them them to do bad things that wouldn't otherwise do. Some things are very bad. Some things aren't…

> Personally, i doubt that china required apple to do this since they already get what they want.

Then we agree. That is exactly what I said.

Re Chinese gov is evil - ra ra ra.

No they aren’t. Well no more than any other country. They just see the world and their place in it differently to you. But they haven’t invaded anyone since Ghengis Khan … yet they’ve been invaded by most of their neighbours and most of the American and European powers. In that context their view and action looks tempered, not evil.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by jiocrag »

onethought wrote: post #218
vineyardmike wrote: post #191

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TLDR: China is bad. This change is probably not because of china, but china will certainly use it. > China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things China (the gov) is evil. > is the reason These pure US companies do bad things The companies are not pure. China certain does things to coerce them them to do bad things that wouldn't otherwise do. Some things are very bad. Some things aren't…

> Personally, i doubt that china required apple to do this since they already get what they want. Then we agree. That is exactly what I said. Re Chinese gov is evil - ra ra ra. No they aren’t. Well no more than any other country. They just see the world and their place in it differently to you. But they haven’t invaded anyone since Ghengis Khan … yet they’ve been invaded by most of their neighbours and most of the Am…

“they just see the world and their place in it differently to you.”

You’re so right. For instance, the Chinese government sees that nothing of importance happened in Tiananman square in 1989 while the rest of the world sees a massacre.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by zepto »

nomoreplease wrote: post #211
zepto wrote: post #178

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“What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone” Seems like this is still true. CSAM checking only happens when you choose to upload your photos to iCloud Photo Library.

Apple has been using some dark patterns to force people to use iCloud. Telling them they haven’t finished setting up their phone. It notifies you until you sign up for the free tier, and then when that’s filled up it pesters you again

That’s true, and a fair criticism, but it’s quite different from saying people don’t have a choice.
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