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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.

Linux is coming to the M1. We need to sponsor this project https://asahilinux.org

You can't even use Linux on Intel Macs properly, no chance it'll work on the M1 anytime soon. The kernel might boot in some form, but last time I checked, even the SSD wasn't working on Intel Macs under Linux.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Every time I see one of these stories I wonder why the government has a seat at the table to decrease our rights. We currently have the right to encrypt backups. Why is the government lobbying to take that away from us? This is a right the government should be protecting for us, instead of stripping away.

An enforcement agency should never be advocating against the rights of the people.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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25% of all girls what?

"About 1 in 4 girls [...] experience child sexual abuse at some point in childhood." https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childsexualabuse/fast...

How is this general and decontexualised number, with no definition of what is considered "sex abuse", relevant to the matter of scanning for pornographic images on iPhones?

You're trying to play to people's emotions by emphasizing the perceived gravity and prevalence of the problem of sex abuse in general, and then trying to use that emotional momentum to argue for something largely unrelated.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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A viable alternative is multiple LUKS-style key slots, one per registered device that can be unlocked with a device keys, and one that is by default encrypted with a key derived from your iCloud password. If you lose all your iDevices _and_ your password at the same time, you lose your data. They could also make this opt in (add another escrow key slot by default, but allow you to promise that you've written down a r…

> If you lose all your iDevices _and_ your password at the same time ... I don't know how this is with iPhones (I don't own one), but with Android these events are almost 100% correlated for many people. That's because you never get prompted for your Google account password on your phone. If you don't use the same Google account on your phone as on your desktop, or don't really use your Google account on the desktop…

WhatsApps 'pin' method is a good one to prevent users forgetting passwords.

It periodically asks you for your password. If you get it right, it will wait longer before re-asking. If you get it wrong first time, it'll ask again more frequently (and let you pick a new one IIRC). Works pretty well against forgetful humans.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Every time I see one of these stories I wonder why the government has a seat at the table to decrease our rights. We currently have the right to encrypt backups. Why is the government lobbying to take that away from us? This is a right the government should be protecting for us, instead of stripping away. An enforcement agency should never be advocating against the rights of the people.

The people in society who appoint themselves as police also appoint themselves someone who is allowed superiority over those who do not.

They expect to have rights that you don't have. They expect to violate your rights in ways the inverse would be a crime.

There are always those who feel themselves above the common person, and appoint themselves decisionmaker unilaterally.

This eventually happens in every country. There have been attempts to limit the scope and scale of spying, but so far nobody has ever been able to contain it. The US intelligence agencies now have utter control over the legislature and judiciary thanks to mass surveillance. There is no way to roll it back now. It's even illegal to talk about it in public, as Wyden and Snowden (and Clapper) have so fully illustrated.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Every claim that Apple makes about respecting user privacy is false because Apple does not allow users the means to independently verify the claims made by Apple regarding security. Additionally Apple does not allow users the means t control the hardware that they purchase by for instance, installing whatever software that they want on their devices.

You say ‘every claim’. I’m asking which claims. Can you find one?

https://www.macworld.com/article/232305/apple-privacy-billbo...

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…

So you think if Apple announced a new algorithm that would be used for mass surveillance of the Chinese, there'd be some kind of mass outrage. And to avoid that mass outrage, they're starting with mass surveillance against Americans instead. None of that makes sense. Why would using the system only to target child abuse in the US make people change their mind about using it against political dissidents?

You're deliberately ignoring the use case, which makes your argument look silly.

Scenario 1: Apple announces Orwellian system to thwart child abuse in the United States.

Scenario 2: Apple announces Orwellian system to thwart Chinese dissidence.

Which one sounds more palatable to you? To the world?

Apple *has* to take an orthogonal approach to giving China the surveillance capacity it desires. It can't openly enable a regime that just covered up and obfuscated investigation into perhaps the greatest human tragedy of our generation.

Apple wouldn't unlock a single iPhone for the FBI in a terrorism investigation... but it will deploy mass on-device privacy invasion for people who aren't even suspects to thwart child abuse?

Ask yourself: What changed?

If you believe Apple suddenly shifted their privacy stance on a whim, and isn't being subtly pressured by the Chinese government to develop new means of device access and control, I don't know what to tell you...

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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You say ‘every claim’. I’m asking which claims. Can you find one?

https://www.macworld.com/article/232305/apple-privacy-billbo...

“What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone”

Seems like this is still true. CSAM checking only happens when you choose to upload your photos to iCloud Photo Library.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…

This is all pure speculation. Everyone in china is using WeChat anyway. China have this capability already. No one is sitting around a table thinking: "What do we do about Apple Messages", and if they were their solution would be: Block Apple messages. NOT: Ask an American company to implement spying for us and trust that they'll do it accurately... non sensical. As pointed out this feature isn't even being launched…

This is pure BS. "Everyone in China is using WeChat anyway."

Really? Chinese citizens don't use their iPhone cameras to store photos locally? They only use WeChat to take pictures and store them? Gee, you should tell Apple AND Tencent this! It would dramatically shift their product development path.

Where did Apple Messages come into play? What does that have to do with locally stored photos?

"This feature isn't even being launched in China" -- yup. Apple has definitely never launched a feature first in the US then rolled it out worldwide.

"But sorry to derail your narrative: China are the bad guys and all bad things are because of china."

Who said that? Seems more like you've got a bias to apologize for the regime than anyone else has a bias to impugn it.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Well, its actually extremely believable that its launching everywhere that gets iOS 15. And your confidence indicated you had a source ;) > so surely if this was “BeCAusE ChIna!!!” It’d be switched on there first right? Is all of your comments on here arguments?

Not at all. But the consistent “China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things” is infuriating. Then when you point out the fallacy of this kind of thinking getting one word: “source” adds to the frustration. Even if it was launched globally it didn’t at all invalidate my point. They would ban the entire App in question, not back door it. See Facebook/Twitter as a well known example.

“China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things”

Literally no one is saying this. You're getting incredibly sensitive over a regime that just thwarted investigation into a pandemic that has killed more than 1 million people and making irrational arguments to defend it.

"hey would ban the entire App in question, not back door it. See Facebook/Twitter as a well known example."

Ban *which* app?? The iPhone is not an "app" LOL. It's a hardware device with both software and hardware privacy constraints antithetical to the Chinese government's desire for pervasive surveillance.

Apple is gradually shedding its hardcore privacy stance to retain its fastest growing market. It's not difficult to see if you take off your "ANYTHING BAD ABOUT CHINA IS RACIST!!" goggles.

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