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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by gytdev »

The biggest hurdle Linux has to overcome is somehow convincing major players to release Linux version of their apps. Making a beautiful skin is not going to solve the main Linux catch-22: not enough market share to have main apps, not enough main apps to increase market share. Excel, Power point (essential for business and school) creativity apps like Photoshop, Premiere, etc. Their are essential to most people work-flows and the biggest hurdle to adoption.

VM's partly solves the problem, but You need to have a decent computer and small technical chops.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by follower »

xtracto wrote: post #125
FinalBriefing wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say more "macOS UX" than "look and feel".

Does it allow you to drag a file into a terminal and get a path to that file in the prompt? That's a VERY neat user experience I like about OSX that I miss in my Linux Mint PC. Those sort of things would make it a "UX alike" instead of only "look and feel"

> Does it allow you to drag a file into a terminal and get a path to that file in the prompt?

I just tried this in the previous Elementary OS version and, yes, it works.

(Tested using "Files" & "Terminal" applications.)

It also shows a little green "+" circle hint (i.e. copy) when the file icon is dragged over the Terminal window.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by phendrenad2 »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #184
phendrenad2 wrote: post #130

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GNUStep/WindowMaker are too "ugly" and many people use Linux purely out of being gaga at the beautiful window borders. Just look at any recent YouTube video about Linux, it'll likely be about how much better (KDE|Gnome|etc.) LOOK than Windows 11 (usability? That's that?)

To be honest, Gnome is a lot more usable than Windows in my experience. Most of the software I expect to be provided by the OS simply are better under Gnome: file browser, image viewer, terminal, windows and desktop manager (it's kind of shocking how the windows implementation of exposé is so poor). Sadly, I can run neither Excel nor PowerPoint under Gnome. So I'm stuck with windows.

Gnome is in fact great, and has great usability. But my point was, for many Linux users (perhaps the most vocal), care about GUI looks over GUI usability. So GNUStep/WindowMaker are simply too "ugly" (although I think the experience of using them is superior to Gnome).

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by orthecreedence »

approxim8ion wrote: post #141
orthecreedence wrote: post #81

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Window management. It's basically a way to segregate a general terminal (usually used for local stuff) from a window specifically for SSH. For me this was a much bigger issue when I was on Windows, but also in Ubuntu which groups programs together similarly to the Windows taskbar. I'm on i3 now mostly and just use a normal terminal for ssh, but for quite some time I was using putty on linux specifically for window ma…

Sounds like a use case for tmux?

No, not really. I'm talking about OS-level window management. Being able to open a specific window with a single chord.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by eitland »

Normille wrote: post #144
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

> Mostly to do with the inconsistencies in the interface. Coming from something like OSX which, for all its faults, presents a completely consistent user interface,

I used Mac OS X from 2009 to 2012.

It was sold as consistent and keyboard friendly back then.

However: Describing a desktop interface where selecting a single word using the keyboard needs a different keystroke in different apps, that is - rich.

Maybe this is fixed now but back then even official applications had different ways to select a word using the keyboard: in one it was cmd+shift+arrowkey in the next it was ctrl-shift-arrowkey or even fn-shift-arrowkey.

Especially infuriating because one of the most used ones in other applications meant "navigate back" in Safari.

Meanwhile in Windows and Linux ctrl+arrowkey always moves one word and ctrl+shift+arrowkey almost always (hi Excel!) selects a full word.

Maybe it is fixed now. But I'll never let a Mac user lecture me about consistency again.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by eitland »

veidr wrote: post #263
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #161

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Interestingly enough, iTerm is the biggest sticking point for me in switching back to Linux: none of the Linux terminal applications have the quality of life features I depend on in iTerm

Yeah, I recently switched my main machine from macOS to Pop!_OS 21.04 (another "install and forget" distro based on Ubuntu, so kinda similar to Elementary OS) and I miss iTerm so much that I sometimes slide my chair over to the music workstation (which is still a Mac) and SSH in from iTerm just to do stuff in the terminal. I think iTerm is probably not just the best terminal on any platform, but also one of the best…

This for once looks like something from Mac I'd like someone to introduce and adapt to Konsole.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by skeoh »

kilburn wrote: post #127
yboris wrote: post #14

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How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

I hardly ever minimize/hide windows, and I don't use virtual desktops/spaces either. My workflow is based on two main hotkeys plus some extras: 1. Alt+Tab to change between applications. Set it up so it ONLY switches between applications (never between windows of the same application). If you keep alt pressed the icons for the open applications stay on screen, and you can click on them to go straight to that app. 2.…

Thanks for the hot tip on Alt+`. What a tremendously handy hotkey I had absolutely no idea existed!

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by eitland »

Rd6n6 wrote: post #196
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

I’ll be that one person who will say that the peak of desktop environment design is currently gnome (with guake for a drop down terminal and top panel workspace scroll). It’s extremely keyboard driven and working with 4 different workspaces is just extremely pleasant. Using super for both overview and search is a really nice touch too. Just my opinion - avoiding using the mouse really is nice

Gnome 3 absolutely wasn't horrible last I used it, I only had to fix the wildly inefficient alt-tab implementation and thta took a few minutes searching and clicking one checkbox I think.

(I think there was a nunber of issues with extensions but I guess that is fixed now.)

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by wraptile »

I have a rather weird question: can Elementary be tiled and keyboard driven (at least for windows)? I like the general app visuals and their GUI philosophy but floating windows are so passé.
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