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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by zonabey »

_spduchamp wrote: post #73

Can't wait to give this version a whirl! As I've said before ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26661615 ), we use Elementary OS as our point-of-sale terminals in a small chain of resale stores, and it's been super solid. It's been a good choice for us.

That sounds fantastic to see that sort of thing being used out in the open. Aside from using the Ember-electron POS app can customers access other parts of the UI or elementary OS applications? What made you choose elementary OS in particular? I'd imagine the advantage of using it over ubuntu gnome would be fairly minimised if the user would be locked to just a single application.

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Post by altantiprocrast »

rewgs wrote: post #198
SkyMarshal wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? Elementary is aimed in part at non-power-users, moreso than most other distros besides Ubuntu. Most of them don't care or even know what browser they're using.

I find it a little hilarious that any distro is aimed at non-power users. The middle of the Venn diagram of “non-power user” and “will install an OS that isn’t the one that came with their computer” must be vanishingly small.

The group is probably small, but Zorin OS is also a distro aimed at non-power users, and I installed it for my grandparents' slow computer.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by thewrinklyninja »

My main issue is still app notifications in the panel. IF I'm running a syning app like Insync. I want to have the app notifier in the system tray so I can see the status without having to check the service manually to see if its running.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by commoner »

kaba0 wrote: post #185

Are they planning on converting to Wayland?

Yes, elementary OS is preparing for an eventual switch to Wayland.

> The primary motivation for this change is the eventual move to Wayland (a protocol that will make your device faster and safer), but this also gives us more creative control over these features.

https://blog.elementary.io/platform-changes-in-elementary-os...

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

Nullabillity wrote: post #235
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #230

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I have no idea what you’re getting at. How are movies a counterpoint? Movies and streaming services are paid products. And no one is forcing you to make software that spies on people as an indie dev? In fact if you are able to make a living through selling software you have less incentive to collect user data and sell it as a revenue stream. Most products that are free are those where the your data is being sold for…

> And no one is forcing you to make software that spies on people as an indie dev? This is the problem with your argument. You're looking at it from the developer's perspective, rather than the user's. As the developer you have this choice, and you know which choice you've made. As a user, all I have is your word (which is worth nothing if I don't already have a good reason to trust you). As a user, source code acces…

Totally ignoring the developers POV is not healthy either.

Something matching the quality of Excel/Final Cut/Photoshop/90% of games/(lots of my favorite misc. iPad/Mac apps) does not exist in the FOSS world because they have been built on millions of hours of work (and not only by developers, but people spanning many industries and skillsets), which needs payment. In the only FOSS model, huge classes of software (e.g a AAA game) simply won't exist because they will be economically impossible. There's TONS of software requiring cross-domain teams to build, that is unglamorous and unfun to build/maintain, and those kinds of things don't get built to free. This whole purist FOSS model dates back to a very different time that honestly makes no sense today.

In fact by your argument, we can extend to many other things that should be completely open source and free. There should be no need for any intellectual property - the proprietary ingredients and manufacturing processes of Coke (and 80% of everything else in a grocery store) should be free (how can I trust whats in it otherwise?), the complete schematics of every car and airplane should be open (how will I know its safe otherwise?), the innards of every piece of electronic that could conceivably contain a mic/speaker/GPS should be free (what if they track me?). You think this would lead to a utopia of free and awesome stuff. I think it would lead to 90% of that stuff never being built in the first place.

I guess you are one of those purists who somehow uses ONLY FOSS software and is satisfied with it so I won't argue further. To me and many others the quality and breadth of commercial software is orders of magnitude better than free software, and we recognize that's because we pay people to work on it, even if that work is not fun enough to do for free.

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Post by peterburkimsher »

wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Looking great, I've been a long time Mac user and I think I actually like elementary's evolution of the UI styling (from when it started as a pretty direct clone) better than I like Apple's in Big Sur. Tried elementary before (Luna and Freya IIRC) and while it hasn't replaced my Mac for development or my Windows desktop for gaming, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's…

I agree, the styling is great, and makes me feel much more comfortable to transition to Elementary than other OSes (even new versions of macOS). Thank you to the Elementary designers who put so much effort into this UX polish!

I put Elementary onto an external SSD with about 20 other Linux versions, yet it's the one I choose to use most often. It's some combination of familiarity, discoverability, and compatibility that made me like it most.

In practice I still use macOS 10.13 for myself (I really like the AppleScript API into every process) and Windows 10 at work (because my boss tells me to), but Elementary would be my choice of Linux distro if/when the day comes when I need to move.

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Post by kiawe_fire »

im_down_w_otp wrote: post #227
wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Looking great, I've been a long time Mac user and I think I actually like elementary's evolution of the UI styling (from when it started as a pretty direct clone) better than I like Apple's in Big Sur. Tried elementary before (Luna and Freya IIRC) and while it hasn't replaced my Mac for development or my Windows desktop for gaming, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's…

The problem I consistently run into isn't the pixels on the screen being the wrong color or shape. Rather it's other things which are less obvious on my Mac-replacement platforms that make them so distracting and frustrating to use by comparison: - Keyboard shortcuts. - Drag-n-drop behavior. - Menus and menu item organization. - Application interoperability. If I ever had the money to invest, I'd finance the making o…

I’ve made Linux my daily driver going on 6 months now, and it’s mostly great.

I knew that MacOS’ menu organization was a bit better on average and application interop more common (especially with things like Automater) but the keyboard shortcuts thing really surprised me.

Consistently at the system level and application levels, shortcuts seem so much more natural and easier to learn on MacOS. Use of the super key, a letter, and maybe a modifier is the norm, whereas Linux seems to have heavy use of control plus multiple modifiers and even function keys for just about everything.

Moreover, the super key feels so much better placed than control for common shortcuts.

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Post by peterburkimsher »

Normille wrote: post #144
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

Here's my story about the features I lost between 10.8 -> 10.9 -> 10.11 -> 10.13.

tl;dr Web Sharing, Notes sync, iCal sync, HFS+, apps sync.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26245164

I gained NVME drivers for using larger SSDs, so tolerated the changes, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to make the leap to ARM M1 if Big Sur is holding me back so much.

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

vorpalhex wrote: post #164
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #161

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Interestingly enough, iTerm is the biggest sticking point for me in switching back to Linux: none of the Linux terminal applications have the quality of life features I depend on in iTerm

I would pay for iTerm to be ported to Linux, but I know it's very MacOS coupled.

The big issue is that a lot of what makes iTerm great is that it isn't trying to be cross-platform: many of my favorite apps are intentionally single-platform and take advantage of what that platform provides.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by peterburkimsher »

Schlaefer wrote: post #147
Normille wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

Maybe QuickLook outlived itself. It was a technology tailored to the HDD era of hardware, when complex apps required dozens of seconds to start. In a world were even LibreOffice cold-starts in under three seconds on middle of the road hardware QuickLook is just a familiar workflow instead of a necessity? Initially I missed QuickLook a lot after switching away from macOS, but now I haven't thought about it in years.

The QuickLook backend is really convenient for having a parser to turn everything into HTML (and therefore text).

I wrote an AppleScript to convert DOCX or PPTX to TXT using qlmanage -p | textutil

Using QuickLook to turn anything to HTML:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2010071209045151...

Using textutil to convert HTML to TXT:

https://stackoverflow.com/a/32621215

AppleScript source code: https://pastebin.com/JRbXTv8d

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