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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by michaelpb »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #183
deltron3030 wrote: post #169

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>About the only quality graphic design app I've seen available for Linux is Krita. But it's more of a digital painting app than an image manipulation one. And, of course, no vector graphics. Well there's the web based Figma, somebody even created an unofficial desktop app for Linux. Figma has plugins, tons of them for many graphic design tasks. It blows the Affinity stuff out of the water imo.

The big caveat with Figma is that you don’t full own your data with it. It technically lets you export, but the file format is undocumented and subject to change at any time. Additionally, it’s very much geared specifically toward UI design and prototyping, whereas something like Affinity Designer or Sketch also work well for generic screen-targeted vector work.

I've been using PenPot[1] in lieu of Figma all this year, which is an free/libre Figma-clone. For my particular usage it's been great, I prefer it to the others I've tried recently. However, it's still in heavy development, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are missing features compared to more mature offerings.

[1] https://penpot.app/

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #175
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #170

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I can't imagine not having access to QuickLook. It's not really about how quickly apps open so much as the UI—in a large folder of images or documents, I can use QuickLook to see what's inside each one, whereas without it I'd have to open a window for every document.

Yes, for me the killer aspect of Quicklook is being able to flip through dozens of documents in barely more time than it takes for my arrow keys to actuate. It’s wonderful for skimming through dozens of files quickly. Icons that accurately represent content on more than just images are great too. Aside from that, QuickLook remains one of the few examples of a generic extensible document reader in modern operating sys…

> QuickLook remains one of the few examples of a generic extensible document reader in modern operating systems.

...were there other ones in classic operating systems? QuickTime <= 10.2 did let you install third-party components (I wrote one recently), but what else was there?

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Post by jcelerier »

handrous wrote: post #89
jcelerier wrote: post #82

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> First is what happens once you run anything that isn’t made by them — all of the sudden totally different UIs That's a weird criticism. How many competing UI frameworks with completely different look'n'feel are there in a default win10 install ? How many control panels and file dialogs ?

Sure, and everyone complains about that on Win10 because it sucks there, too. Windows the OS has improved greatly over the years, in many ways, but the UI has mostly not improved, or has even regressed, since, oh, I dunno, win98/2k. Maybe WinXP.

No, the immense majority of windows users couldn't care less.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Normille wrote: post #200
kall wrote: post #190

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For me macOS design peaked when they moved from the super readable Lucida Grande to Helvetica Neue because it looked hot on retina displays. I'm not sure which version that was exactly. Purely from a visual standpoint I like the Big Sur redesign way more than I expected. It looks like it was made for dark mode, unlike previous versions where dark mode was kind of an add on. The whole material/translucency thing is re…

The trouble with Lucida Grande was that it didn't have an Italic variant. Which was a bit of a glaring oversight for a default font

Eh, in a UI font though? I appreciate the lack of italics in the UI of my system (which is running Mavericks, so has Lucida Grande), it keeps the menus clean and there are better ways to add emphasis where truly needed.

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Post by andrekandre »

wow, the icons, window borders, shading, everything is crisp and just pops

maybe just me but i felt a lower cognitive load compared to big sur, and especially monterey where everything is super low contrast, large margins between items, and all the icons are hard to differentiate same-color outlines...

looks nice!

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Post by schmorptron »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #72
input_sh wrote: post #2

I've been using it since the weekend and it's so great! My favourite feature is that it's all flatpak, allowing smartphone-like permissions for each desktop app — both first-party and any third-party from Flathub. I like it way more than snap and am glad there's an Ubuntu fork that works so wonderfully with it.

Does flatpack have solved the theming problems they had 2 years ago ? And the perf issues ?

Those were issues snap had though, I'm not aware of flatpak having those problems.

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Post by im_down_w_otp »

wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Looking great, I've been a long time Mac user and I think I actually like elementary's evolution of the UI styling (from when it started as a pretty direct clone) better than I like Apple's in Big Sur. Tried elementary before (Luna and Freya IIRC) and while it hasn't replaced my Mac for development or my Windows desktop for gaming, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's…

The problem I consistently run into isn't the pixels on the screen being the wrong color or shape. Rather it's other things which are less obvious on my Mac-replacement platforms that make them so distracting and frustrating to use by comparison:

- Keyboard shortcuts.

- Drag-n-drop behavior.

- Menus and menu item organization.

- Application interoperability.

If I ever had the money to invest, I'd finance the making of a legitimate replacement for macOS out of KDE or something where the dulling the thousand paper cuts was the focus, not the landing page screenshots.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #222
kitsunesoba wrote: post #175

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Yes, for me the killer aspect of Quicklook is being able to flip through dozens of documents in barely more time than it takes for my arrow keys to actuate. It’s wonderful for skimming through dozens of files quickly. Icons that accurately represent content on more than just images are great too. Aside from that, QuickLook remains one of the few examples of a generic extensible document reader in modern operating sys…

> QuickLook remains one of the few examples of a generic extensible document reader in modern operating systems. ...were there other ones in classic operating systems? QuickTime <= 10.2 did let you install third-party components (I wrote one recently), but what else was there?

There was OpenDoc on classic Mac OS, and I think maybe COM on the Microsoft side of the fence? Not as well versed on Windows stuff though so that may be a misread on my part.

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

andrekandre wrote: post #217
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #199

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Programmers have got to be the only people who think giving away hard, creative work for free is the only right way to do things. We all gotta eat and programs take time and expertise to build and maintain. Wouldn’t you like to be able to make a living from something you built rather than having a boss and working for a company where your future will never be in your control? I sure would. If people can pay for liter…

open source and free (as in beer) software are orthoginal/unrelated concepts you can have for-pay open source apps, no problem

??? Maybe if your userbase is tiny. As soon as it reaches even a 100-200 people someone will compile the source and distribute it for free or copy and resell it cheaper. they sure as heck aren’t orthogonal concepts in practice.

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

Nullabillity wrote: post #207
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #199

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Programmers have got to be the only people who think giving away hard, creative work for free is the only right way to do things. We all gotta eat and programs take time and expertise to build and maintain. Wouldn’t you like to be able to make a living from something you built rather than having a boss and working for a company where your future will never be in your control? I sure would. If people can pay for liter…

Movies don't tend to be able to spy on you, for one. Nor are they generally expected to be maintained over time.

I have no idea what you’re getting at. How are movies a counterpoint? Movies and streaming services are paid products. And no one is forcing you to make software that spies on people as an indie dev? In fact if you are able to make a living through selling software you have less incentive to collect user data and sell it as a revenue stream. Most products that are free are those where the your data is being sold for is exactly that reason.
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