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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by wlesieutre »

cxr wrote: post #187
wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Looking great, I've been a long time Mac user and I think I actually like elementary's evolution of the UI styling (from when it started as a pretty direct clone) better than I like Apple's in Big Sur. Tried elementary before (Luna and Freya IIRC) and while it hasn't replaced my Mac for development or my Windows desktop for gaming, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's…

> Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's dropdown doesn't line up with the icon above it. But the fact that a single UI glitch I think it was meant to be perhaps not necessarily noticed but at least deliberately positioned like that, and not a UI glitch. Look how it's situated directly between the microphone and speaker indicators on the top bar, and the screenshot appears in a section that says, "the indic…

You're totally right about the mic + speaker icons. I wonder why they did that, if clicking either of them apparently opens this shared menu. A speaker as a representation of "Sound" with both mic/speaker settings inside doesn't strike me as too abstract. Or if they really want separate symbols, maybe they could be visually joined somehow.

And none of the other screenshots show the microphone icon, it's only in that one. Only shows up with a mic connected I assume.

Or could the mic be there to give a "something is currently using your mic" indicator?

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by greyivy »

Congrats Elementary team! The focus on accessibility and inclusivity (gender neutral iconography too!) is awesome! Not a fan of Debian-based distros, but still tempted to take it for a spin.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by RichEO »

tayistay wrote: post #166
badsectoracula wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have used eOS at the past and while from a superficial quick look it looks like a copy of macOS, also having used macOS for a long time i can easily say that it is far from a copy. For all intents and purposes it is doing its own thing.

I installed it at one point. There were so many things they just happened to do the same way as macOS for UX (not the windows way), it just didn't seem very original. I see in V6 they've copied the light/dark mode of macOS and put the setting in roughly the same place, with the same sort of icon. Oh, and it's right above the same set of accent colors on macOS, which also are shown as circles (not squares, or rounded…

I see a lot of criticism for eOS “copying” the Mac, and yet never see any criticism of Cinnamon for copying Windows.

If anything, the Linux community seems to cite it as a strength.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by harel »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #178
harel wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what in iTerm is missing in any of the Linux terminals? (I usually use Tilix).

A bunch of little things: iTerm’s jump/mark feature is really useful, especially combined with shell integration and triggers. iTerm can detect soft splits (e.g. tmux or vim splits) and confine the selection to one side of them. Also it’s split-pane navigation functionality is pretty smooth.

Try this for mark/jump : https://gist.github.com/harel/25569bda00f7260923fdbc38e256f5...

It's not "mine" but I adopted it years ago and cannot live without it.

I don't know about detecting soft-splits, but tilix has a really nice split pane setup.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by mananaysiempre »

brnt wrote: post #148
Normille wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

> Why, in 2021, does every single Linux desktop require me to open a file first to see what's inside it? KDE's file manager has a previewpane that you can enable if you wish.

... And in GNOME’s Nautilus, Sushi https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/sushi does popup previews on spacebar more or less like the GP describes.

(Though the whole thing, while useful in practice, feels like essentially a workaround for unnecessarily heavy and app-centric UIs. Having both an “Open” command and an “Open, but faster and does less” command feels like humans succumbing to the needs of computers, not computers providing an additional convenience for humans. But that is a much more complicated problem that I don’t think has ever been solved in a GUI context.)

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by Rd6n6 »

jonpurdy wrote: post #64
wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Looking great, I've been a long time Mac user and I think I actually like elementary's evolution of the UI styling (from when it started as a pretty direct clone) better than I like Apple's in Big Sur. Tried elementary before (Luna and Freya IIRC) and while it hasn't replaced my Mac for development or my Windows desktop for gaming, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's…

Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

I’ll be that one person who will say that the peak of desktop environment design is currently gnome (with guake for a drop down terminal and top panel workspace scroll). It’s extremely keyboard driven and working with 4 different workspaces is just extremely pleasant. Using super for both overview and search is a really nice touch too. Just my opinion - avoiding using the mouse really is nice

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by jll29 »

trts wrote: post #3

Elementary is great, the couple times I've tried it, I wasn't into the desktop paradigm it was encouraging me to use (e.g., no minimize button, native apps that are pretty and consistent but less functional). Will look forward to giving it another spin. Having recently begun using a Mac for the first time, and after having had to suffer with Win10 for a few years, I have to say that I didn't appreciate that several o…

> Elementary is great, the couple times I've tried it, I wasn't into the desktop paradigm it was encouraging me to use (e.g., no minimize button, native apps that are pretty and consistent but less functional).

I installed it on one machine, and the missing "minimize" button drove me mad, otherwise it's a very nice environment (I generally use Ubuntu LTS).

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by rewgs »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #132
OJFord wrote: post #43

I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

>I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? Elementary is aimed in part at non-power-users, moreso than most other distros besides Ubuntu. Most of them don't care or even know what browser they're using.

I find it a little hilarious that any distro is aimed at non-power users. The middle of the Venn diagram of “non-power user” and “will install an OS that isn’t the one that came with their computer” must be vanishingly small.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

emersion wrote: post #162
tayistay wrote: post #79

- Can't publish closed-source apps on their AppCenter. "To ensure reproducible builds, transparency, and auditability, binaries cannot be uploaded or included alongside the source code to be installed on users' devices." So that precludes my apps, and probably most other devs I know. I'd guess because of this restriction, their app store is going nowhere as a business. - Their 70/30 split is higher than what Apple cu…

Not being able to publish closed-source apps is a feature.

Programmers have got to be the only people who think giving away hard, creative work for free is the only right way to do things. We all gotta eat and programs take time and expertise to build and maintain. Wouldn’t you like to be able to make a living from something you built rather than having a boss and working for a company where your future will never be in your control? I sure would. If people can pay for literally every other product/service in the world they can pay for programs too. There’s nothing wrong with charging for your labor.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by Normille »

kall wrote: post #190
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

For me macOS design peaked when they moved from the super readable Lucida Grande to Helvetica Neue because it looked hot on retina displays. I'm not sure which version that was exactly. Purely from a visual standpoint I like the Big Sur redesign way more than I expected. It looks like it was made for dark mode, unlike previous versions where dark mode was kind of an add on. The whole material/translucency thing is re…

The trouble with Lucida Grande was that it didn't have an Italic variant. Which was a bit of a glaring oversight for a default font
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