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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by tayistay »

schmorptron wrote: post #202
tayistay wrote: post #79

- Can't publish closed-source apps on their AppCenter. "To ensure reproducible builds, transparency, and auditability, binaries cannot be uploaded or included alongside the source code to be installed on users' devices." So that precludes my apps, and probably most other devs I know. I'd guess because of this restriction, their app store is going nowhere as a business. - Their 70/30 split is higher than what Apple cu…

One way to "fix" this IMO would be to allow proprietary apps, but keeping the 30/70 split for those to account for increased monitoring and having them confined by the same flatpak permissions as everything else, and lowering the split to 12/88 for open source apps.

Good idea. Not inline with their extreme stance of calling other OSes, and presumably closed-source, unethical though. "The thoughtful, capable, and ethical replacement for Windows and macOS"

It's a bit insulting, really.

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Post by seltzered_ »

okramcivokram wrote: post #177
Normille wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

I think the quicklook is available in gnome. I'm not sure how it compares to the osx one because I don't use anything apple, but selecting a file and pressing space in nautilus behaves as I expect quicklook to work. A preview of the file is shown. It doesn't work for all file types but the common ones (images, documents, videos, text files etc.) are shown. I'm on GNOME 3.38.4 on Debian sid.

Apparently Gnome Sushi does this similar to Quicklook, wasn't installed by default though (on 3.38.4 on Ubuntu).

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Post by tayistay »

RichEO wrote: post #193
tayistay wrote: post #166

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I installed it at one point. There were so many things they just happened to do the same way as macOS for UX (not the windows way), it just didn't seem very original. I see in V6 they've copied the light/dark mode of macOS and put the setting in roughly the same place, with the same sort of icon. Oh, and it's right above the same set of accent colors on macOS, which also are shown as circles (not squares, or rounded…

I see a lot of criticism for eOS “copying” the Mac, and yet never see any criticism of Cinnamon for copying Windows. If anything, the Linux community seems to cite it as a strength.

Never heard of Cinnamon, but if it copies Windows, then that's a shame too.

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Post by creata »

rewgs wrote: post #198
SkyMarshal wrote: post #132

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>I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? Elementary is aimed in part at non-power-users, moreso than most other distros besides Ubuntu. Most of them don't care or even know what browser they're using.

I find it a little hilarious that any distro is aimed at non-power users. The middle of the Venn diagram of “non-power user” and “will install an OS that isn’t the one that came with their computer” must be vanishingly small.

It looks[0][1] like they do want to be an OS comes with your computer, which is pretty exciting.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28133146

[1]: https://au.starlabs.systems/pages/laptops

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Post by spindle »

I love elementary OS and would use it on all my computers if I didn't love NixOS even more (and sometimes I use NixOS with Pantheon, elementary's window manager).

> all AppCenter apps are now packaged and distributed as Flatpaks, a modern container format that keeps apps siloed away from each other—and your sensitive data

All apps are siloed from your sensitive data? That is a little um simplified or misleading or something. They may have done a great job with security now that they have Portals, but it is surely a much more complicated story than the above quote suggests.

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Post by andrekandre »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #199
emersion wrote: post #162

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Not being able to publish closed-source apps is a feature.

Programmers have got to be the only people who think giving away hard, creative work for free is the only right way to do things. We all gotta eat and programs take time and expertise to build and maintain. Wouldn’t you like to be able to make a living from something you built rather than having a boss and working for a company where your future will never be in your control? I sure would. If people can pay for liter…

open source and free (as in beer) software are orthoginal/unrelated concepts

you can have for-pay open source apps, no problem

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Post by neilalexander »

This is a great looking release and I really don’t think enough attention is being drawn to just how lovely the elementaryOS desktop looks and feels on a hi-DPI display, which is not something I can say for most Linux desktops. Also the font hinting/text rendering looks excellent too.

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Post by tayistay »

andrekandre wrote: post #217
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Programmers have got to be the only people who think giving away hard, creative work for free is the only right way to do things. We all gotta eat and programs take time and expertise to build and maintain. Wouldn’t you like to be able to make a living from something you built rather than having a boss and working for a company where your future will never be in your control? I sure would. If people can pay for liter…

open source and free (as in beer) software are orthoginal/unrelated concepts you can have for-pay open source apps, no problem

Sure, you can have a for-pay open source app, but if it's a consumer product (as opposed to, say, some B2B thing with special licensing), then it isn't going anywhere as a business. Many people will just download the code and compile it instead of paying you (or find someone else who packaged it up). That's why open source has been more successful with software-as-service.

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Post by andrekandre »

tayistay wrote: post #219
andrekandre wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

open source and free (as in beer) software are orthoginal/unrelated concepts you can have for-pay open source apps, no problem

Sure, you can have a for-pay open source app, but if it's a consumer product (as opposed to, say, some B2B thing with special licensing), then it isn't going anywhere as a business. Many people will just download the code and compile it instead of paying you (or find someone else who packaged it up). That's why open source has been more successful with software-as-service.

  > but if it's a consumer product...then it isn't going anywhere as a business
why?
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