How in the world did they get a trademark for something as generic as culdesac?
Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US
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#32The renderings are almost entirely of white people. Are they not aiming for diversity, or is Arizona just very white?
i got to say, the one prominent black guy in the model seems more robotic looking then the rest of the people. It kind of jumped out to me too. Maybe it's just that he's so close to the camera.
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#33So, there are some concept images, but no real plan of the territory yet, right? Or did I miss it?
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#34Is Tempe/Phoenix any good for getting around without a car? All I know about is the sprawl and hostile road design.
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#35Why only one bedroom apartments? You can't build a community that you think will stand for any amount of time and be this hostile to families.
Because these sorts of developments are typically trying to fill the trailer park or retirement community niches without incurring the negative baggage that comes with either.
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#36Why only one bedroom apartments? You can't build a community that you think will stand for any amount of time and be this hostile to families.
Because these sorts of developments are typically trying to fill the trailer park or retirement community niches without incurring the negative baggage that comes with either.
Both of those have kids around more often than you'd think, even if it's just visiting grandkids during the summer.
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#37These efforts seem well-intentioned but doomed to fail because it requires government action to make the rest of the area work , i.e. be more walkable / bikeable. It's great you can bike from your pricey apartment to your friend's, but try getting passed by a bunch of distracted drivers going 50mph faster than you on the arterial stroad when getting to the nearest reasonably-sized grocery store that is 10 miles away…
Not doomed to fail. Just doomed to not deliver what you're asking for, true car-free living.
I moved to the nicest part of my city and drive twice a week, on weekends. When I go into the office, I walk. A neighborhood like this with cars evicted to the periphery would be miles better than this. It's already possible to commute without a car. You just have to plan your life around it. Which you're already in for if you're considering moving to a planned community like this.
Going completely car-free is always going to a tough thing to ask for for a country as spread out as the U.S..
I expect in the next 20 years we'll start getting streets back into urban centers to replace the stroads*.
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#38360 view feels like the inside of the 1 Hacker Way.
I was going to say the same. It looks like the googleplex or Facebook classic campus
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#39This looks worse than many of the suburban neighborhoods in and around Atlanta, GA.
There are no trees. (Granted, I live in Atlanta and we're spoiled af with marvelous tree cover.)
There's no clear demarkation of where to walk or bike. It's not safe to intermix the two without indications of direction. One elongated dog leash (ugh) or elder person and there will be problems.
There's little privacy from neighbors. Maybe that isn't a problem, but yards are pretty dope and provide ample opportunity for gardening, customization, and dog/kid playground/activities.
Again, I don't get the anti-car, anti-yard, anti-suburb meme. And I say this as I live in a densely populated condo in Atlanta city proper.
Cul-de-sacs (the "old-school" car kind) have their place.
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#40Why only one bedroom apartments? You can't build a community that you think will stand for any amount of time and be this hostile to families.
I'm making a wild guess here, but I think the missing context from this web site and other comments is that this is intended to be a college town community. If you look up the address (2025 E Apache Blvd, Tempe, AZ 85281) it's a walkable/bikeable distance to Arizona State University which (from my understanding) is the prominent college in the Phoenix area.