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Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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I live about 10 min drive from there, and I honestly don't see how it's going to work. Yes it is right on the lightrail line, but otherwise it's not a very walkable area. I guess they are hoping to lock everyone into just doing most of their eating and shopping onsite. Is that actually desirable?

Yep. That’s how most of the world works.

Early iterations won’t be perfect, though I think with what the future holds this will become standard development and created mixed-use walkable neighborhoods.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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post #5

I live about 10 min drive from there, and I honestly don't see how it's going to work. Yes it is right on the lightrail line, but otherwise it's not a very walkable area. I guess they are hoping to lock everyone into just doing most of their eating and shopping onsite. Is that actually desirable?

I think they're banking on the rest of tempe over there to have a similar growth soon, and use the cable car that is being implemented. It's a gamble it will grow that way, but it seems like most of tempe right now is being overhauled.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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Unless the housing's a lot denser than it looks (higher, for one thing), those streets and plazas seem to be way too big. Retail & restaurants completely detached from housing is also questionable, if you're going for walkability. Farther apart you put things, less walkable/bikable they are, so the harder it is for businesses to be viable without public transit or (more probably) car traffic.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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post #5

I live about 10 min drive from there, and I honestly don't see how it's going to work. Yes it is right on the lightrail line, but otherwise it's not a very walkable area. I guess they are hoping to lock everyone into just doing most of their eating and shopping onsite. Is that actually desirable?

Well, currently, I just drive my car 10 min and usually eat and shop in the same place. That being walkable does seem desirable, yes. And if the nearest city was accessible by light rail I would certainly spend more time there.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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I get the sense you will either think this is the most wonderful place on earth or the most miserable place. Not much in between. The photos look clean, new and very cosmopolitan, but it's a very anodyne sterile look to it. Like a corporate brochure from human resources. It's not real, not real life.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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These efforts seem well-intentioned but doomed to fail because it requires government action to make the rest of the area work , i.e. be more walkable / bikeable.

It's great you can bike from your pricey apartment to your friend's, but try getting passed by a bunch of distracted drivers going 50mph faster than you on the arterial stroad when getting to the nearest reasonably-sized grocery store that is 10 miles away because bike infrastructure is often "man up and pretend you're a car" in the US.

Not to mention anything involving grade-separated, rail-based public transit...

What we really need are YIMBY policy changes to improve these, e.g. separate bike infrastructure (note: it has almost zero maintenance costs because bikes produce almost no pavement damage), relaxing of development policies to allowing MFU or town-house (row house?) condos to be built, or at the very least getting rid of ridiculous SFU requirements like enormous setbacks or low max-area usage (e.g. a burb house built on an enormous lot!).

One notable advancement I did like from this proposal: having a "time-share-esque" guest unit. I do enjoy having space for family members to stay with me when they visit, but it feels so wasteful to have that space all the time (requiring maintenance, insurance, more mortgage) compared to having this guest unit thing common to all units in the development.

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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I don't really see anything addressing the heat issue of the location (AZ). In most hot environments people tend to minimize outdoor time, moving quickly from one AC'd zone to another. How do you get places while staying out of the heat in a neighborhood like this? Tunnels?

Re: Culdesac Tempe: The first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the US

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post #4

I hope this is the future of community design. We need to get people back together. I think most of our problems are that we only interact on the internet. My mom thought republicans were the devil until a guy with a trump flag helped her change a tire.

One-bedrooms start at $1250 / month. Can a community be designed so that the people working there can also afford to live there?

That doesn't seem that crazy. A couple can easily split a one bedroom and many jobs in service sectors are paying above $15/hr now so it's approachable for the average worker, and following your implication that it'd be higher end, I'd expect wages even for local service workers to be somewhat higher than the regional average as well (plus no commuting costs).
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