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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by nerdponx »

Flex247A wrote: post #18
yboris wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

You get used to the dock real quick. Or just install Elementary Tweaks.

Ironically, the Mac dock that this dock emulates does support both "minimizing" and "hiding" (and always has, as far as I remember).

It's one of those little functionality gaps that keeps people on closed/non-free systems. Is it at least on their roadmap? I'd gladly donate/pay just to get a Mac-like minimize/hide experience.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by seltzered_ »

OJFord wrote: post #43

I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? That said, I wish them all the best, because I use 'Files' (but not the distro) since it's the best I've found for the odd occasion where I think using a GUI file manager will be easier than the command line. I still wouldn't say it's good , j…

I keep wondering about this too, perhaps the intent is that there's some known component that works well with the ux goals - so if someone builds a native application (with vala), they can reference the eos 'web' app when implementing a web view.

It's still something I'm leary about. I switched from a mac to ubuntu (gnome) recently, and wonder how much lack of facilitation/communication leads to so many separate or incomplete apps. For example, I may use the gnome calendar app but also still have thunderbird setup to handle calendar links. Or evince (akin to preview.app) doesn't support drag/drop editing of pages so I have to also install 'pdf arranger' to do this.

I think there's a chaos tolerance one has to have in approaching linux, which is fine! On the plus side I've really appreciated hearing quickly from developers when filing bugs.

For anyone curious, I keep track of cross-platform workflows here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/148zTJUwfVv9xfDcpSoH3...

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by babypuncher »

yboris wrote: post #14
trts wrote: post #3

Elementary is great, the couple times I've tried it, I wasn't into the desktop paradigm it was encouraging me to use (e.g., no minimize button, native apps that are pretty and consistent but less functional). Will look forward to giving it another spin. Having recently begun using a Mac for the first time, and after having had to suffer with Win10 for a few years, I have to say that I didn't appreciate that several o…

How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

I think it's a Gnome thing.

I've never understood Gnome.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by jonpurdy »

wlesieutre wrote: post #16

Looking great, I've been a long time Mac user and I think I actually like elementary's evolution of the UI styling (from when it started as a pretty direct clone) better than I like Apple's in Big Sur. Tried elementary before (Luna and Freya IIRC) and while it hasn't replaced my Mac for development or my Windows desktop for gaming, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Can't help but notice that the Sound indicator's…

Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac.

Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and what widgets do than on modern Mac OS. I've been running it in various VMs for a few years but didn't seriously consider switching to it full time until Big Sur was announced. I have too many paid-for Mac apps like Alfred, Keyboard Maestro, Hazel, Photo Mechanic, and others that prevent me from moving to Linux full time.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by temp8964 »

nineteen999 wrote: post #59
temp8964 wrote: post #27

I have tried Linux desktop. One of the couple things I can’t get over with is remote. It seems there’s no straight and reliable way to remote to the same session of the host desktop. In addition, Windows RDP can also reliably adjust to client screen setup.

Xrdp can be configured to do this, we have it setup this way for our jump boxes.

I did google around but couldn’t get it work reliably. It seems have something with which desktop environment I use. And the performance isn’t great.

Also, I am not sure what you mean “jumpbox”, but it sounds like you don’t use the remote machine locally.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

veeti wrote: post #58
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can't say I've stumbled upon a lot of desktop apps (not terminal utilities) that are not on Flathub. Perhaps you just don't use that many things that aren't really popular or well known? I can't find PuTTY and KeePass (though obviously there are alternatives in those cases), applications that both have Linux versions and that I use every day (and aren't even that unknown). Also, unfortunately the limitations of Fla…

What is the use case for running PuTTY on Linux? I'm curious.

It is what I use on Windows, so I'm familiar with it, and it supports serial comms.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by input_sh »

imglorp wrote: post #51
input_sh wrote: post #2

I've been using it since the weekend and it's so great! My favourite feature is that it's all flatpak, allowing smartphone-like permissions for each desktop app — both first-party and any third-party from Flathub. I like it way more than snap and am glad there's an Ubuntu fork that works so wonderfully with it.

Do any of the Flatpak advocates have a response to this security criticism? Eg - https://flatkill.org/2020/

See: https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2021/02/11/response-to-fla...

There's also Flatseal (https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal) as a user-friendly way of managing permissions for flatpak apps. This version of elementary OS comes with its own permission manager, but with my limited experience with both, it seems like it allows tweaking less permissions than Flatseal.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by Ashanmaril »

yboris wrote: post #14
trts wrote: post #3

Elementary is great, the couple times I've tried it, I wasn't into the desktop paradigm it was encouraging me to use (e.g., no minimize button, native apps that are pretty and consistent but less functional). Will look forward to giving it another spin. Having recently begun using a Mac for the first time, and after having had to suffer with Win10 for a few years, I have to say that I didn't appreciate that several o…

How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

When I'm on my Mac I don't really use a minimize button ever. I organize all my windows between virtual desktops. One for calendar/notes, one for browsers and maybe the downloads folder open, one for IDE and terminal, one for chat apps, etc.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

workerdrone451 wrote: post #49
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can't say I've stumbled upon a lot of desktop apps (not terminal utilities) that are not on Flathub. Perhaps you just don't use that many things that aren't really popular or well known? I can't find PuTTY and KeePass (though obviously there are alternatives in those cases), applications that both have Linux versions and that I use every day (and aren't even that unknown). Also, unfortunately the limitations of Fla…

Did you try flatseal for Wireshark? It abstracts the process of messing with permissions. That being said, unless the flatpak has some features your distro version doesn't, for trusted software package is always preferred. Flatpak is really for untrusted software/proprietary and projects that update with new features often.

You misunderstand, Flatpak has no mechanism whereby the appropriate permission can be granted. At all.

https://github.com/flathub/org.wireshark.Wireshark/issues/4

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