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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by yreg »

dehrmann wrote: post #40
new299 wrote: post #10

Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…

At this point, with Apple introducing a feature for law enforcement the general public had no opinion on or interest in, I'd argue Apple is more likely to expand what the new system does than improve E2EE.

The theory was that they are adding the client-side backdoor to please the US institutions and to be allowed to E2EE iCloud.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by eptcyka »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #93
Thorrez wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reverse engineers can examine the snitch to see what it's looking for. Without semi-E2E, Apple could hand over every photo of every account to China and we would be none the wiser.

Apple has to follow local law. Rightfully so IMO the very last thing I want is US companies making us all honorary Americans.

Yes, and the next time you find yourself in a hold-up, just inform the perpetrators that what they're doing is actually illegal.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by Hamuko »

rswail wrote: post #106
Hamuko wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is Amazon breaking the law if I upload GPG-encrypted files to S3?

No, because AWS is not providing financial services. If you are and you upload encrypted data to S3, then you'd better have the ability to decrypt it if required by the financial regulators, otherwise you are breaking the law.

This sounds a lot more like financial institution regulation than tech company regulation.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by denton-scratch »

Teever wrote: post #14
nomoreplease wrote: post #3

This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P. We also need hardball journalists to start asking Tim these tough questions instead of fawning over AirPods And we need employees to start demanding this internally

> This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P. Cui bono? Why does Tim Cook need to address this? To benefit Apple shareholders? To assuage the doubts of Apple customers who bought the false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy? Truth be told I don't think that Tim Cook as CEO of one of the richest and mo…

> Face it, Apple users have made their bed

You get downvoted around here if you make remarks critical of Apple users.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by simion314 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #51
simion314 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. For me it seems that latest changes do not change anything, FBI will still object with the same reasons as in the past, because they will have a legal obtained warrant and they need the user backups/phone content. I do not see Apple fighting this in courts especially now when they also have a big fight vs Epic and…

> I do not see Apple fighting this in courts especially now when they also have a big fight vs Epic and a fight vs right to repair. Apple already gives up data on tens of thousands of users and accounts each year in response on requests from governments. Apple keeps statistics about those data requests here[1]. For reference, Apple gave data on over 31,000 users/accounts based on FISA requests and National Security L…

Yes, so I do not see Apple implementing true end to end encryption and telling to the FBI/NSA to fuck off. The fact that Apple can catch some CP now won't convince the government or some judges that is fine to stop the collaboration. In fact I can see it more likely that in secret or with a judge approval new hashes would be added into the secret database(maybe someone leaked some stuff to the press and some gov want to catch the involved people)

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by fsflover »

zepto wrote: post #15
Teever wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P. Cui bono? Why does Tim Cook need to address this? To benefit Apple shareholders? To assuage the doubts of Apple customers who bought the false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy? Truth be told I don't think that Tim Cook as CEO of one of the richest and mo…

> false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy What false claim have they made?

See the title.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by sandstrom »

If anyone is curious of what data Apple have on you, you can request it via their website.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/17/request-your-personal-data-fr...

Note that this won't include certain categories that are stored unencrypted on Apple servers, for example iCloud backups and other data in iCloud (files, photos, calendars, contacts, etc).

I was quite surprised to see that even excluding all the data they (often) have from peoples iCloud accounts, there is still a bunch of stuff they collect.

Aside: I really wish Apple would spend more time on end-to-end encryption, for example of iCloud calendar and contact data as well as (obviously) the backups.

They should also have developer guides for app developers, on how to build it into apps: common patterns (group E2E patterns, multi-device E2E, open-source data sync servers that apps could use to arbitrarily synchronize E2E encrypted data between devices, etc).

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by rvz »

Teever wrote: post #14
nomoreplease wrote: post #3

This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P. We also need hardball journalists to start asking Tim these tough questions instead of fawning over AirPods And we need employees to start demanding this internally

> This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P. Cui bono? Why does Tim Cook need to address this? To benefit Apple shareholders? To assuage the doubts of Apple customers who bought the false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy? Truth be told I don't think that Tim Cook as CEO of one of the richest and mo…

> Face it, Apple users have made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

Well said. They now finally realise that Apple Inc. was never their friends in the first place, like I have always said.

They cleverly used privacy as a marketing trick to lure them to buying into their ecosystem and to cover their suspicious acts under the reason of 'protecting the user's privacy'.

Given there are lots of Apple users buying M1 Macs, it is more likely that they would need to back up / restore from iCloud as they already do this on their iPhones.

So yes, they are so entrenched and locked in the Apple ecosystem, they won't move and will stay there for good, no matter how many times Apple screws them over. They are not your friends and only on the side of profit.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by onethought »

vineyardmike wrote: post #91
onethought wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all pure speculation. Everyone in china is using WeChat anyway. China have this capability already. No one is sitting around a table thinking: "What do we do about Apple Messages", and if they were their solution would be: Block Apple messages. NOT: Ask an American company to implement spying for us and trust that they'll do it accurately... non sensical. As pointed out this feature isn't even being launched…

> As pointed out this feature isn't even being launched in China. Source?

That’s right let’s ask for the source of the extremely believable claim of only launched in US[0]. But no one sourcing the “China is pressuring Apple to do this”.

As stated in the article Apple have said it is US only and will be switched on country by country… so surely if this was “BeCAusE ChIna!!!” It’d be switched on there first right?

[0] https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/09/apple-csam-faq/?_gl=1*l17q2t*....

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