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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by vineyardmike »

onethought wrote: post #63
jiocrag wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…

This is all pure speculation. Everyone in china is using WeChat anyway. China have this capability already. No one is sitting around a table thinking: "What do we do about Apple Messages", and if they were their solution would be: Block Apple messages. NOT: Ask an American company to implement spying for us and trust that they'll do it accurately... non sensical. As pointed out this feature isn't even being launched…

> As pointed out this feature isn't even being launched in China.

Source?

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by buildbot »

paxys wrote: post #45
g42gregory wrote: post #16

I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.

I picked the perfect time to order a Framework laptop. Really hoping it holds up.

I just placed a preorder due to this as well - I wasn't going too, but then I felt worried that my Monterey Beta might start scanning photos I was using for an ML project.

I'm 99.999% percent positive there's nothing to worry about, but imagenet did have CSAM in it, so you can't be too careful. Really excited to build my own expansion cards. There's really affordable full SMD assembly these days from places like easyeda.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

Thorrez wrote: post #67
somebodythere wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the point of end-to-end encryption if the snitch for objectionable content lives on the device?

Reverse engineers can examine the snitch to see what it's looking for. Without semi-E2E, Apple could hand over every photo of every account to China and we would be none the wiser.

Apple has to follow local law. Rightfully so IMO the very last thing I want is US companies making us all honorary Americans.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by teitoklien »

rubatuga wrote: post #55

There's a way to make fully encrypted backups of your iPhone locally, check out my blog post from my self-hosting series: https://www.naut.ca/blog/2020/03/20/self-hosting-series-part... This works well on Linux, and iOS 14. You can skip to the section `Compiling idevicebackup2`.

Thanks for this !

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by quietbritishjim »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #88
quietbritishjim wrote: post #76

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> If you lose all your iDevices _and_ your password at the same time ... I don't know how this is with iPhones (I don't own one), but with Android these events are almost 100% correlated for many people. That's because you never get prompted for your Google account password on your phone. If you don't use the same Google account on your phone as on your desktop, or don't really use your Google account on the desktop…

You can reset your password with email and phone number. Did it once.

Right, because there isn't the end-to-end encryption scheme that we're currently discussing. You seem to have missed the point of the conversation:

Comment 1: The problem with adding end-to-end encryption is that password reset is no longer possible (or it's possible but your data is lost)

Comment 2: You can come up with an end-to-end encryption scheme where you can reset your password and keep your data so long as you still have your phone (or when you lose your phone so long as you remember your password)

Comment 3 (mine): But if you lose your phone you often don't have your password any more, so that doesn't really help

By "Is there anything significantly different with Apple accounts?" I really meant does it often ask you to retype your password or otherwise force you to remember it.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

selsta wrote: post #8

Don't use the cloud if you care about privacy, or encrypt the data yourself before uploading. Has always been the case.

I fully agree but Apple is pushing iCloud hard. Hell it's seemless ecosystem is their main selling point.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by busymom0 »

lostlogin wrote: post #53
busymom0 wrote: post #22

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I am an app developer who was thinking of upgrading to the next M1 Mac mini coming out later this year. For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. However after this whole privacy debacle, I have started looking into Hackintosh and whether I can build one to for building my apps. If anyone has experience with developing for iOS/MacOS on hackintosh, please let me know your experience.

> For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. How would going to a hackintosh and loading on the Apple software you are skeptical of help you?

Mostly because I don't particularly need macOS for anything else except the app development work. Other stuff, I can get done on Ubuntu. I am looking into whether I can run MacOS in a VM on Ubuntu.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by busymom0 »

techrat wrote: post #47
busymom0 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an app developer who was thinking of upgrading to the next M1 Mac mini coming out later this year. For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. However after this whole privacy debacle, I have started looking into Hackintosh and whether I can build one to for building my apps. If anyone has experience with developing for iOS/MacOS on hackintosh, please let me know your experience.

The privacy issues with apple pretty much lie within their software. Going hackintosh isn't going to move you further away from the issues you have.

I don't particularly need macOS for anything else except the app development work. Other stuff, I can get done on Ubuntu. I am looking into whether I can run MacOS in a VM on Ubuntu.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

Thorrez wrote: post #67
somebodythere wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the point of end-to-end encryption if the snitch for objectionable content lives on the device?

Reverse engineers can examine the snitch to see what it's looking for. Without semi-E2E, Apple could hand over every photo of every account to China and we would be none the wiser.

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Post by __m »

jiocrag wrote: post #41
numpad0 wrote: post #11

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I think we are all throwing wrong questions at wrong entities. What we should ask is what the hell is going on and what is forcing everyone to implement backdoors in this organized manners.

China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…

That's rich. who was that snowden guy again? Where do they launch this surveillance?
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