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Messaging and chat control

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Re: Messaging and chat control

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We have had unprecedented growth and development in the world, it's just that bad news sells more papers. Don't let it bring you down!

So as long as some KPIs are positive, let's ignore the loss of fundamental freedoms?

"Some KPIs are positive"? I had no idea HN was this backwards. More people have moved out of poverty than ever before. Quality of life is improving in so many places, just not around /you/. Amazingly cynical point of view.

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If it becomes mandatory for email providers to screen emails, will services such as Protonmail become illegal in the EU? Since they don't have access to their users' email content because of encryption.

> Since they don't have access to their users' email content because of encryption.

Regular emails (i.e. without home-brewn encryption that Protonmail provided - and I'm yet to receive such email from any of my contacts who use Protonmail), or any inbound email received from third-party servers are of course not encrypted and Protonmail has pretty easy access to their contents.

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You realize that Switzerland hasen't voted to wear masks and get restrictions? Having a direct democracy does not mean the gov can't make their own decisions at times.

Yes, I do realize Switzerland doesn't actually use direct democracy for things that matter and when they do they often end up with xenophobic laws. I don't even want to talk about town assemblies voting on naturalisation decisions.

So if they want to be xenophobic, what's the problem? It's their country and they can do whatever they want with it.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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I wonder if all of this (Apple, Chatcontrol, etc.) will spark a backlash against computing devices. The government can't rifle through your physical photos to search for [bad thing], at least for the moment. Will we see a resurgence of Instamatic cameras and other offline-first devices? Depressingly, I'm sure most people won't care. But hey, I can hope.

> The government can't rifle through your physical photos to search for [bad thing], at least for the moment.

I mean they can, it just takes effort making it not worthwhile. This will make it easy and omnipresent.

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Can you please be sensible? Direct demoracy is not working with 445 million people.

Mathematically it's not more difficult to determine the majority vote among 400 million people, than among 10 million. What would prevent it from working for you?

> it's not more difficult to determine the majority vote among 400 million people

Democracy is not majority voting.

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The scary thing about this is that many people have images that look like child porn at home: Family photos of naked grandchildren playing at the sea or in the mud, as well as sexting between consenting teenagers. There is no way automatic classification can distinguish these from real child porn, because they look almost identical and thus many private pictures will be shared with the government. This not only infri…

AFAIK, ML image classification is used for checking user-generated content on social networks, forums, etc. Cloud storage, email and IM providers will continue using hashes (either exact or perceptual) to lower false positives.

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Privacy is something that people usually only care about on a theoretical level. Practically speaking, they're often happy to not care so much at all if they get something more tangible in return. --- Company: Excuse me, would you mind us profiling you through an accurate survey of most of your everyday purchases? Customer: Heck no! Company: What if we let you collect "points" that will maybe someday safe you a littl…

> Privacy is something that people usually only care about on a theoretical level. Practically speaking, they're often happy to not care so much at all if they get something more tangible in return. Because not everyone is a Programmer. Most people I know have never even heard about Snowden.

I know lots of people who are tech savvy, care about privacy, but use a gmail address nevertheless.

I have my own contradictions. I think the disappearance of payments in cash is a problem, it is not good to give the state too much control on a society. But I hardly use any cash myself.

Convenience is unfortunately a big factor.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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The scary thing about this is that many people have images that look like child porn at home: Family photos of naked grandchildren playing at the sea or in the mud, as well as sexting between consenting teenagers. There is no way automatic classification can distinguish these from real child porn, because they look almost identical and thus many private pictures will be shared with the government. This not only infri…

Hey, at least we'll be able to "solve" the "problem" of sexts between youths by having a bunch of middle aged men rifle through them.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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When the EU wants to be like China, but not to control citizens but to protect the children's ;)

BTW: The EU wants to implement age restriction to online services into the Operating-system, every device that is not verified by ID is restricted to lets say content for 8yo's

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