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Messaging and chat control

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Re: Messaging and chat control

#101
post #75

Politicians really like to use "child pornography" as a wedge issue for surveillance as it's a topic that people overwhelmingly see as "a bad thing". This screams slippery slope.

Oh I think you will find that the "think of the children" model has been abused more than most emotional heart-string pulling for agenda.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#102
post #37
post #13

It's agendas like these when you realize submitting your country laws to legislation from Brusel was a fatal error.

I'm sorry, what country were you from again, that has a human rights record so much cleaner than the EU? It sounds like a lovely place.

There is the European Convention on Human Rights upheld by the European Court of Human Rights, but from my understanding these both predate the European Union, and they're not really directly associated.

Could someone more knowledgeable weigh in on what the EU has to show as far as a "human rights record" ?

Re: Messaging and chat control

#103
post #74

As the developer of an E2EE chat system, how could this affect me? Would I be forced to do something? I fall under a non-EU jurisdiction, and my servers are also outside of the EU. Would this apply to me or my users in the least? Thanks

I'm not a lawyer, but I suppose it will apply in the same way GDPR applies to anyone who wants to access the EU market (regardless of where you/your servers are). That is, if you're fine with your system not being accessible from the EU because of non-compliance you should be fine? Don't take my word for it though, I'm just assuming. Maybe somebody with more knowledge chan chime in.

Systems don't become inaccessible from the EU because of GDPR, there's no great firewall of europe that would make that happen. But depending on circumstances, you could still get fined for violations even if you aren't situated in EU.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#104
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> far from a direct democracy. And? Direct democracies are far worth than representative democracies in practically everyway. The Covid crisis should have made clear to all that people are not policies experts. Given than no country in the UE significantly uses direct democracy (referendums are pretty much never used and always devolve into a ridiculous race to who can say the most outrageous thing in front of the me…

You realize that Switzerland hasen't voted to wear masks and get restrictions? Having a direct democracy does not mean the gov can't make their own decisions at times.

Yes, I do realize Switzerland doesn't actually use direct democracy for things that matter and when they do they often end up with xenophobic laws. I don't even want to talk about town assemblies voting on naturalisation decisions.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#105
post #75

Politicians really like to use "child pornography" as a wedge issue for surveillance as it's a topic that people overwhelmingly see as "a bad thing". This screams slippery slope.

Exactly. Just like “terrorism” is used as an excuse to take control of oil fields.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#106

If it becomes mandatory for email providers to screen emails, will services such as Protonmail become illegal in the EU? Since they don't have access to their users' email content because of encryption.

I'm wondering the same. I suppose they will have to implement some way to scan the emails, or else they will be forced out of business. That said, I wouldn't bet on it.

Does the EU have some kind of firewall with ISPs to block domains and IP addresses?

Re: Messaging and chat control

#107
post #13

It's agendas like these when you realize submitting your country laws to legislation from Brusel was a fatal error.

I wouldn't be surprised if the UK government announced it would be re-applying to be in the EU just for this new law (I'm joking.. I hope).

Re: Messaging and chat control

#108
post #79
post #38

Does anybody have an idea how big child pornography is on the internet? Are those measures commensurate with the size of the problem? I'm asking seriously.

On a previous HN submission [1] it's about 0.06%, more than I expeted. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28110159

On a website uniquely designed for photo upload and forensic analysis, CSAM makes up .06% of uploads. But I'd bet on a generic messaging app, the percentage of messages involving CSAM is much, much lower.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#109

I'm wondering how long until inconvenient people(or people with inconvenient opinions) are targeted for blackmailing material with a system like this.

As in send them an email that will trigger the system in a way to cause grief or induce further evasive exploration of the recipients life. Show me a guarantee that will never happen as that is the fear as we all know - any system can be gamed for good or bad.

Re: Messaging and chat control

#110
I wonder if all of this (Apple, Chatcontrol, etc.) will spark a backlash against computing devices. The government can't rifle through your physical photos to search for [bad thing], at least for the moment. Will we see a resurgence of Instamatic cameras and other offline-first devices?

Depressingly, I'm sure most people won't care. But hey, I can hope.

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