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Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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I had this... a third-party seller started harassing me via email to submit feedback so I did... I gave them a two star review with something along the lines of "kept pestering me to leave feedback" then they started emailing me demanding that I remove it, which I ignored then they started phoning the number for the delivery, which happened to be an elderly relative (as they were the order recipient) contacted Amazon…

What do you expect from a shitty company that threat their workers like shit? they don't care about your business.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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Just like Lotus Notes was posting revenue growth in 2008, as a clearly dead product, I wonder if Amazon fails to realize how much consumer trust it has lost because their sales continue to increase. I have gone from an Amazon-lover to an Amazon-hater because of a few bad third-party seller experiences and while I still buy a lot of stuff on Amazon I:

* usually avoid third-party sellers * refuse to buy food or baby products at Amazon * have shifted some of my purchasing to trusted brands that curate a collection of good products, like Trader Joe's and Uncommon Goods.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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I'm of two minds on this. We all hate getting calls and mail from people and being hounded time and time again - in fact, I have a certain history of blocking people just for that. So all the anger is understandable. I share that annoyance.

However, I find it curious that the article never once turns its eyes on the monopolization of online commerce and the monopolization of communication in Amazon's walled garden as a problem. Rather, it goes with this "tech company must handle this" approach that, in the end, deputized a powerful monopolist as an enforcer for rules, supporting its tactic of monopolizing communication within amazon's systems so amazon can read it all (and undoubtedly analyze it all), which then strengthens that monopolist's stature, since we're now also dependent on it for enforcement (the facebook, twitter, youtube problem all over again) AND it can use it to drive those very sellers out of the market with cheaper knockoffs, which we know amazon does regularly.

In the end, these actors aren't gaming amazon because they're bad apples and crooks; they're gaming it because amazon has become the only game in town, their entire economic existence is dependent on these reviews, AND their walled garden overlord is only keeping them to gut them and take their stuff. Breaking out of it is anoying; but from their perspective, it's also eminently reasonable.

Also, classic journalism: they used clearly outrageous examples to whip us up into supporting this problem construction to make these small sellers the bad guys (highlighting the crooks) - leaving the monopolist hulk that creates the structure in which they all now have to play unexamined.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

#54
It's not only Amazon reviews. But also Google My Business reviews. Not to mention Yelp.

One of our businesses depend a lot on GMB reviews. Fortunately we're good about customer service and doing a good job, so 98% of our reviews are 5 stars.

However, in a couple of cases, customers gave us one star for things we had absolutely no control over, or something that was quite trivial and could be resolved in a minute or two. It's insane what that very tiny segment of reviewers will do.

There is good and bad about this. We've found a few bad reviews are actually a good thing, since people have said directly to us that we seem like a "Real" company. They know that reviews are gamed a lot these days. And they realize that real companies make mistakes. So we take those "L"'s and move on.

I don't agree with the heavy-handedness, but I understand they some do it. These guys are taking it too far though.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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Heh, this seems mild. Try reviewing one of the real estate "entrepreneurs" in tourist cities that have a few flats for rent. You know, the ones you find on Booking.com or on AirBNB. I was literally threatened last time. Which is why I only use actual hotels since.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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I've stopped buying 3rd party seller items because of this. Now, I'll only buy items sold directly by amazon.

For example, I bought a little portable projector last Christmas. In the box was a big bar of Swiss chocolate and leaflet offering me a tripod in return for a five star review. The projector wasn't as good as the description made out. It wasn't terrible, just not as good as they claimed. So I left a three star review. I started getting texts from the seller asking, and then demanding I remove the review - they weren't offering me anything in return. And the texts came from the sellers name which changed slightly every time, so I couldn't easily block them or reply to them. It took two months for them to give up and leave me alone. I've had similar less extreme experiences with other sellers.

I did complain to amazon, who said they would take action. A few weeks later the seller disappeared from amazon, so I assume they received enough complaints to take action.

But..... the seller reappearance with a different name. They had the same product range and descriptions.

Amazon doesn't care and is totally complicit in all this.

The problem as I see it is that so much commerce is concentrated on to a small number of platforms (amazon, ebay, wish etc), which leads to sellers getting desperate to get to the top in searches. I mean, I can understand sellers doing this when their livelihoods depend on it. It's still not right though and amazon should fix it.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > "contacted Amazon, who responded with "we'll deal with the issue and get back to you within 48 hours", which never happened" > "If you complain to Amazon that the seller is contacting you outside the Amazon messaging platform and harrassing you, then Amazon will close their seller account." What is the purpose of telling somebody to do exactly what they just told you they already did, and insisting that it will w…

Hi there - "gaslighting", seems a bit extreme? I'm just offering some help. The thing with Amazon is that it's super fragmented and you have to complain through the correct channels. After six years I'm still struggling to navigate at times. General Customer service team members' KPIs are to just close tickets, that's all they care about. Go to the Product page and click "“Report Abuse”" on the reviews. Or email the…

I have done all these things myself, and I still see the seller accounts live, or name changed.

Around 10% of items I’ve ordered have been either fakes of name brands, didn’t match the photos, or had a seller review scam thing going. It’s not an outlier, it’s standard.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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I'm of two minds on this. We all hate getting calls and mail from people and being hounded time and time again - in fact, I have a certain history of blocking people just for that. So all the anger is understandable. I share that annoyance. However, I find it curious that the article never once turns its eyes on the monopolization of online commerce and the monopolization of communication in Amazon's walled garden as…

> since we're now also dependent on it for enforcement

This, I think, is the root of the problem. In the case that Amazon takes control of the situation (you don't really have a relationship with the third party seller; you have a relationship with Amazon), then despite what they claim, they should be held legally responsible.

In the UK we have a legal concept of "vicarious liability". An employer is liable for an employee's actions, regardless of culpability. The employee could be in breach of all agreements and instructions from its employer, yet the employer is still liable. We also have harassment laws. These should be extended to allow victims to hold Amazon liable as if they're a first party in the case that their "third party" sellers are untouchable (as they usually are). Amazon (and other companies) shouldn't be allowed to act as a middleman without also taking on that liability. It should be up to them to recover their costs from the third party, not the consumer.

This would correctly incentivize the big players to ensure that their third party sellers behave. Instead, what we have right now is a legal system that allows them to effectively collude to shirk that responsibility entirely.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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It seems like this is a problem that will solve itself, after this article and some more coverage make this well known scores of people will probably order stuff and leave bad reviews to get refunds and maybe even additonal money back. The selles can't possibly keep doing this for more and more fake reviews.

Re: Amazon third-party sellers reportedly hound customers who leave bad reviews

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I had this... a third-party seller started harassing me via email to submit feedback so I did... I gave them a two star review with something along the lines of "kept pestering me to leave feedback" then they started emailing me demanding that I remove it, which I ignored then they started phoning the number for the delivery, which happened to be an elderly relative (as they were the order recipient) contacted Amazon…

The third party sellers shouldn't get access to your contact information. On DoorDash, calls go through DoorDash's system. Same with text messages. No one gets the other person's real number. I've had one restaurant that always calls me right after I place the order to ask me for my phone number to put into their system for future orders. I always tell them no, I prefer to go through DoorDash instead. A similar syste…

Craigslist does this for emails with their email relay service. I greatly appreciate the feature.
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