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About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by ClemFandango »

systemvoltage wrote: post #69
ClemFandango wrote: post #68

Is nobody going to address the series of elephants in the room here? Even the embedded video in the article didn't say anything about it, and the author's proposed and current solution is more or less a social band-aid. These animators need to unionise, or demand full-time/part-time employment conditions that are outside of their current contractual arrangement if they want to see any progress. At least then they sho…

It could be that the supply for animators far exceeds the demand. No amount of bandaid is going to fix that.

Understandable, but it's beside the point. The point is that legally mandated (and enforced!) employment agreements should exist regardless of the amount of people vying for jobs.

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by robertwt7 »

This is pretty sad, I actually have been trying to find animator around some countries in south east asia but I found it really hard to find one. It seems like it is not a very popular subject for anyone anymore.

I have very few friends who took animation, and they switched to programming after 1 year of failing to find a job as well. I feel like animation is a very important entertainment area and there should be more of them. Not sure if there are any other big companies other than pixar or disney around the world that attract students to pursue that as a career though.

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by MonaroVXR »

thewarrior wrote: post #40
toast0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Sometimes, when my spouse is really having trouble sleeping, she asks me to tell her about something I'm working on. About 30 seconds in, dead asleep.

When I have trouble sleeping I stay up to read HackerNews to find out what others are working on :P

Yes and it's 7AM. Hackernews is interesting

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by boulos »

ClemFandango wrote: post #68

Is nobody going to address the series of elephants in the room here? Even the embedded video in the article didn't say anything about it, and the author's proposed and current solution is more or less a social band-aid. These animators need to unionise, or demand full-time/part-time employment conditions that are outside of their current contractual arrangement if they want to see any progress. At least then they sho…

The animation and VFX artists in California are unionized. For example, here's the Animation Guild [1] and the list of studios covered [2]. It's basically all the big names plus many of the small ones.

What the union couldn't do is prevent jobs from offshoring: the jobs moved to Vancouver, Montreal, and wherever else the tax credits were. I think it's still the case that the studios are getting like a 50% tax rebate on Canadians working in film in Vancouver. When your staff are "half price", that's hard to compete with.

tl;dr: it's not a lack of unions.

[1] https://animationguild.org/

[2] https://animationguild.org/about-the-guild/studio-list/

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by newfriend »

artursapek wrote: post #24

How far are we from automating the job of animators with tech like what makes DeepFake videos?

There are already some impressive models that can render animations at higher framerates, for example DAIN[0] and RIFE[1].

DAIN video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2i6FXVjNT0

RIFE video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtqmP46LaA

[0] https://github.com/baowenbo/DAIN

[1] https://github.com/hzwer/arXiv2020-RIFE

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by ralusek »

systemvoltage wrote: post #69
ClemFandango wrote: post #68

Is nobody going to address the series of elephants in the room here? Even the embedded video in the article didn't say anything about it, and the author's proposed and current solution is more or less a social band-aid. These animators need to unionise, or demand full-time/part-time employment conditions that are outside of their current contractual arrangement if they want to see any progress. At least then they sho…

It could be that the supply for animators far exceeds the demand. No amount of bandaid is going to fix that.

I mean in cases like that, unions often just constrain supply artificially. But that just creates a new problem, in that people who want to fill a role and are capable of filling a role can't necessarily fill a role that the company would be happy to give them if not for the union saying that this individual is locked out from filling the role.

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by vms20591 »

ClemFandango wrote: post #68

Is nobody going to address the series of elephants in the room here? Even the embedded video in the article didn't say anything about it, and the author's proposed and current solution is more or less a social band-aid. These animators need to unionise, or demand full-time/part-time employment conditions that are outside of their current contractual arrangement if they want to see any progress. At least then they sho…

It's nice to see comments that actually talk about unionizing.

> It's all well and good for the commenters here to say that dream jobs will often have hard conditions, but that doesn't necessarily have to be so if we have government or union enforced labour conditions that aren't predatory.

Well said!

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by rcfaj7obqrkayhn »

setr wrote: post #34
chmod600 wrote: post #8

Most people are probably best off with good jobs that sound boring but are highly demanded. Could be plumber or software engineer or accountant or whatever. People are happy to see you, happy when you do your job, and pay you well. People work as a team rather than compete. Don't underestimate the value of pleasantness in day to day interactions. Cool sounding jobs are competitive and you are likely to be treated poo…

SysAdmins fit this bill, but I know them as having a pretty terrible social position — no one cares about you until something goes wrong, and then they’re pissed at you. Fix it, and go back to your dungeon.

doesn't sound bad tbh. who cares if some random person at work is pissed at you? most colleagues are not friends, they're just professional acquaintances

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by dcolkitt »

chmod600 wrote: post #8

Most people are probably best off with good jobs that sound boring but are highly demanded. Could be plumber or software engineer or accountant or whatever. People are happy to see you, happy when you do your job, and pay you well. People work as a team rather than compete. Don't underestimate the value of pleasantness in day to day interactions. Cool sounding jobs are competitive and you are likely to be treated poo…

I’ll also add that many things which seem boring from an abstracted and removed perspective can be quite fascinating when you get into the weeds.

I’d say this is because “reality has a surprising amount of detail”[1]. There’s a ton of intricate detail in a field like tax accounting. Even if it seems boring, once you’re immersed in it, you realize all the intellectual challenges.

[1] http://johnsalvatier.org/blog/2017/reality-has-a-surprising-...

Re: About 90% of Animators Quit Their Jobs Within 3 Years

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Post by rcfaj7obqrkayhn »

thewarrior wrote: post #40
toast0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Sometimes, when my spouse is really having trouble sleeping, she asks me to tell her about something I'm working on. About 30 seconds in, dead asleep.

When I have trouble sleeping I stay up to read HackerNews to find out what others are working on :P

the opposite for me: reading HN before bed just make me feel like a lazy slob and makes me feel motivated and demotivated at the same time
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