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Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#101

Post by janeroe »

void_mint wrote: post #98
janeroe wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's absolutely an accurate use of statistics Nope, that's what phrase "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is about. You're a manipulator.

Just because you do not agree with a position does not make it manipulative.

I never said that it's my (dis)agreement with you that makes you a manipulator. It's the way you frame your argument. You said "third of the population" but forgot to mention that it's just 7 people we're talking about which is a crucial addition. I conclude you were writing that in bad faith to promote some kind of agenda of yours (which is confirmed by the history of your posts).

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#102

Post by void_mint »

janeroe wrote: post #101
void_mint wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you do not agree with a position does not make it manipulative.

I never said that it's my (dis)agreement with you that makes you a manipulator. It's the way you frame your argument. You said "third of the population" but forgot to mention that it's just 7 people we're talking about which is a crucial addition. I conclude you were writing that in bad faith to promote some kind of agenda of yours (which is confirmed by the history of your posts).

> You said "third of the population" but forgot to mention that it's just 7 people we're talking about which is a crucial addition.

And I propose that it being "just" 7 doesn't change the intent of "1/3" at all.

> I conclude you were writing that in bad faith to promote some kind of agenda of yours (which is confirmed by the history of your posts).

My agenda is to obviously raise awareness that an island that aids sexual abusers is bad. Your agenda must be to suppress the dissemination of information pertaining to sexual abuse, I guess. I'm kind of disgusted at that behavior, tbh.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#103

Post by ornornor »

Robotbeat wrote: post #23
sunstone wrote: post #15

One benefit is the time zone of Pitcairn is very close to North American Pacific time. Right now it's one hour earlier. Get your Starlink account and you're set.

Indeed. Starlink (with laser links when they get them) plus solar plus batteries (and backup generator), and you're set. Anyone who does remote-only work with a US typical income and is able to live relatively simply would be able to move there.

Yeah… good luck getting spare parts if your laptop goes down. Also, the power goes off at 10pm every day, you have to generate your own for the night.

It also seems like most people there grow their own food. That takes time when does for self-sufficiency.

And it looks like there is no property currently for sale along with limited rental options. You basically have to build your own house (with only supplies coming it every 3 months)

Solving the internet problem is only the tip of the iceberg for remote working there, there are easier locales to be a remote worker in with similar living costs but easier logistics.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#104

Post by doublec »

m01 wrote: post #99
doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

Do you happen to know why the wind turbine project didn't work out? It seems electricity currently comes from diesel generators, and there was a plan to get a wind turbine installed, but somehow it wasn't delivered?

My understanding is the UK government cancelled the scheme after the contractors failed to meet their deliverable dates and the costs ballooned. Effort is now going into solar power instead, with some houses already having panels installed.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#105

Post by doublec »

void_mint wrote: post #102
janeroe wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said that it's my (dis)agreement with you that makes you a manipulator. It's the way you frame your argument. You said "third of the population" but forgot to mention that it's just 7 people we're talking about which is a crucial addition. I conclude you were writing that in bad faith to promote some kind of agenda of yours (which is confirmed by the history of your posts).

> You said "third of the population" but forgot to mention that it's just 7 people we're talking about which is a crucial addition. And I propose that it being "just" 7 doesn't change the intent of "1/3" at all. > I conclude you were writing that in bad faith to promote some kind of agenda of yours (which is confirmed by the history of your posts). My agenda is to obviously raise awareness that an island that aids se…

> My agenda is to obviously raise awareness that an island that aids sexual abusers is bad

This is another example of you using emotive phrases to imply a narrative that is not true. Pitcairn Island does not aid sexual abusers. Abuse is abhorrent. Trials were held, people were convicted. I'm not sure what is different to how this is handled anywhere else in the world.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#106

Post by void_mint »

doublec wrote: post #105
void_mint wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You said "third of the population" but forgot to mention that it's just 7 people we're talking about which is a crucial addition. And I propose that it being "just" 7 doesn't change the intent of "1/3" at all. > I conclude you were writing that in bad faith to promote some kind of agenda of yours (which is confirmed by the history of your posts). My agenda is to obviously raise awareness that an island that aids se…

> My agenda is to obviously raise awareness that an island that aids sexual abusers is bad This is another example of you using emotive phrases to imply a narrative that is not true. Pitcairn Island does not aid sexual abusers. Abuse is abhorrent. Trials were held, people were convicted. I'm not sure what is different to how this is handled anywhere else in the world.

> This is another example of you using emotive phrases to imply a narrative that is not true

So you're saying the Mayor didn't get convicted, then?

> Pitcairn Island does not aid sexual abusers

The mayor.

> . Abuse is abhorrent. Trials were held, people were convicted. I'm not sure what is different to how this is handled anywhere else in the world.

The difference is the absolutely astounding ratio.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#107

Post by markdown »

doublec wrote: post #76
markdown wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great photos, thanks for sharing. Do you know if kava and taro grow there?

Taro grows, there's even an area called "Taro Ground". I'm a fan of kava and I know Tahiti has a kava tradition. I asked one of my cousins about kava on the island and they don't know of it growing there. Given that the island was populated previously by Polynesians it's possible there is wild kava growing there somewhere. Next time I go I'm keen to look out for it. It would be interesting to try and cultivate it and…

That's great to hear. Yes, both those crops were "canoe plants" that Polynesians took with them wherever they went.

Kava doesn't seed so has trouble growing in the wild unless conditions are perfect, in which case ancient stands of them might still be alive. In Hawaii, long after the missionaries tried to eradicate kava, some of the old cultivars were rediscovered in the 90's from old kava stands found growing deep in national park forests.

But yes if you did find kava growing there, it would be a rare cultivar and given its long shelf-life once dried and packaged, a great crop to commercialise on that island.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#108

Post by Robotbeat »

ornornor wrote: post #103
Robotbeat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Starlink (with laser links when they get them) plus solar plus batteries (and backup generator), and you're set. Anyone who does remote-only work with a US typical income and is able to live relatively simply would be able to move there.

Yeah… good luck getting spare parts if your laptop goes down. Also, the power goes off at 10pm every day, you have to generate your own for the night. It also seems like most people there grow their own food. That takes time when does for self-sufficiency. And it looks like there is no property currently for sale along with limited rental options. You basically have to build your own house (with only supplies coming…

Well of course you wouldn’t pick such a remote locale for no reason. But with remote work, low latency satellite broadband, solar+battery+generator, now you can. It wasn’t a real option before unless you had a specific job at that site or were independently wealthy.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#109

Post by Gradient-Ascent »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #70

I think the website is missing important information (or it's buried somewhere): - quick facts about Pitcairn [0] (e.g. 47 people, 47 sq.km of surface, British Overseas Territory) - what kind of visa you will grant (permanent resident?) - is there a path to citizenship / passport, and if so, how long it would take? - is there any special agreement with the UK? e.g. UK passport after 5 years of residence. - income tax…

You make a lot of typical western assumptions here and also assumptions because you have a migration background yourself ("they want to (re)populate the island" - Why would they "want that"? - Edit: Now I got you, but the island is just small and populated already and also: Populating a place (making babies) isn't a problem for most people ;-), they actually enjoy it and in the case with this island they even start very young :-O. The website offers relocation to a super-remote, poor and harsh place. It's out of the category that HR pulls all the time ala "Why you should work at place XYZ". But the reality is, that they only hire one specific person out of 100, that has exactly the skill they need. I think the "child rape" cases are rather a symptom: Life is hard, there is nothing to do. If your life expectancy is 25 years, then you rather reproduce early. Reproducing (populating) a place is not a problem. If it starts to be one ("As of 2012, just two children had been born on Pitcairn in the 21 years prior.") then something is wrong with the place itself. And as the migration numbers show: "For a recent survey that contacted hundreds of islanders who have left Pitcairn over the years, only 33 participated and just 3 expressed a desire to return." something is wrong with the place.

It's like a company which pays peanuts having 80% of their positions open and complaining about not being able to find new employees and "HR (desperately) searching".

So, fundamentally everything is going the right way on Pitcairn: A harsh place gets depopulated. And someone is spinning the fairytale and roses story, because it's one of the rare things there is to do (a payed (government) job on the island).

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

#110

Post by Gradient-Ascent »

Populating a place (making babies) is not a problem and if it starts to be one, then something is wrong with the place: If future prospects are very grimm, then people stop having kids. This is something seen across the entire western world. Wages are too low and to add insult to injury people outside the west (Jews, Arabs, PoC) demand immigration to solve the (wrong) problem, but serving their own interests.

This became such an accepted narrative, that it is hard to correct (I just did) and gets pushed and used else/everywhere, like here, in a small island: Pitcairn.

Something is wrong with the place itself: "As of 2012, just two children had been born on Pitcairn in the 21 years prior."

Which is also shown in the absolute migration numbers: "For a recent survey that contacted hundreds of islanders who have left Pitcairn over the years, only 33 participated and just 3 expressed a desire to return."

It's like a company which pays peanuts having 80% of their positions open and complaining about not being able to find new employees and "HR (desperately) searching".

The article is out of the category that HR pulls all the time ala "Why you should work at place XYZ". But the reality is, that they only hire one specific person out of 100, that has exactly the skill they need.

So, fundamentally everything is going the right way on Pitcairn: A harsh place gets depopulated. And someone is spinning the fairytale and roses story, because it's one of the rare things there is to do: A payed (government) job on the island.

And: Everyone is just so isolated on that island and super-welcoming (of course) to someone new (and nice, ... he needs to be "a nice chap") arriving, because... excitement.

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