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Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by carnitine »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #18
teruakohatu wrote: post #6

This is partly administered by my country, New Zealand, although is not part of the Realm of New Zealand (New Zealand plus territories it controls), rather it is a British Overseas Territory. The people living there are mostly descendants of the Bounty mutineers and their captives. There has been a long sad history of sexual abuse, with one third of the island's male population being convicted and imprisoned in the e…

> There has been a long sad history of sexual abuse, with one third of the island's male population being convicted and imprisoned in the early 2000s. This sounds really bad, until you realise one-third of the male population is 7 people. You are correct, but its not an accurate use of statistics.

That honestly makes it sound even worse. I’m confused as to how people think it doesn’t.

Also it’s perfectly valid statistics.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by janeroe »

void_mint wrote: post #31
legostormtroopr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There has been a long sad history of sexual abuse, with one third of the island's male population being convicted and imprisoned in the early 2000s. This sounds really bad, until you realise one-third of the male population is 7 people. You are correct, but its not an accurate use of statistics.

It's absolutely an accurate use of statistics. One third of the male population was imprisoned for sexual abuse. Regardless of how many, wouldn't you want to know if 1/3 of the men around you are sexual abusers?

> It's absolutely an accurate use of statistics

Nope, that's what phrase "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is about. You're a manipulator.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by hermitcrab »

EMM_386 wrote: post #90
hermitcrab wrote: post #89

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>If you have a medical emergency while in places like this, you may be in serious trouble. Even in places like Antarctica, and even at the top of Mount Everest, we have modern medical facilities within range and helicopters that can come grab you, weather permitting. A helicopter has landed on the summit of Everest ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Delsalle ) but that was a record attempt right on the edge of wh…

> Even when I climbed Mera Peak (~21,000 feet) we were told there was no hope of a helicopter coming for us at the higher altitudes. Not that this isn't extremely dangerous in its own right, but at least there is the option, however slight it may be under the current conditions, of getting to a lower altitude where the helicopter or a rescue climb can get to you. This may be even more feasible if climbing with a grou…

>Not that this isn't extremely dangerous in its own right, but at least there is the option, however slight it may be under the current conditions, of getting to a lower altitude where the helicopter or a rescue climb can get to you. This may be even more feasible if climbing with a group who can help get you lower.

And this did indeed happen. One of our group had serious altitude issues. He had to be repressurised in a Gamow bag ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_hyperbaric_bag ) until he had recovered enough to get him down to where a helicopter could evacuate him. One of the Sherpas ran a in a few hours a distance that it took us days to walk, so that he could telephone for the helicopter. Lucky for him it happened before the summit attempt. One of our group also had an aneurysm on the way down (she survived). High places are dangerous!

>It's more similar to being on the moon than on a mountain.

Probably much worse than Mera Peak. But if you have a heart attack on the summit of Everest, you're almost certainly going to die.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by janeroe »

bobsmooth wrote: post #65

Once they get Skylink it sounds like a libertarian dream.

> Once they get Skylink it sounds like a libertarian dream

Not just that. Other comments mention presence of some kind of external governance with "officials" intrusively poking their noses into someone else's business. Doesn't sound very libertarian if you ask me. On the other hand, reforms should be easier in a community of 50 people than in a country of hundred millions. Though they depend on UK's favours which complicates things.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by distances »

doublec wrote: post #55
satori99 wrote: post #54

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Your family history is a fascinating one! Did any of your family take Queen Victoria's offer and move to Norfolk Island when things got rough on Pitcairn 165 years ago? https://www.discovernorfolkisland.com/norfolk/pitcairn.html

Yes, everyone on Pitcairn migrated to Norfolk. Later some families moved back to Pitcairn, including mine. The same thing happened in 1831 - everyone migrated to Tahiti. That was disastrous for the islanders though, many died of disease and they returned to Pitcairn eventually. See here for that story http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document//Volume_68_1959/Volum...

Thank you for the link, this was a very interesting read.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by wyclif »

doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

What is the male to female ratio on the island?

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by void_mint »

janeroe wrote: post #92
void_mint wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely an accurate use of statistics. One third of the male population was imprisoned for sexual abuse. Regardless of how many, wouldn't you want to know if 1/3 of the men around you are sexual abusers?

> It's absolutely an accurate use of statistics Nope, that's what phrase "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is about. You're a manipulator.

Just because you do not agree with a position does not make it manipulative.

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by m01 »

doublec wrote: post #9

I am of Pitcairn descent. My grandmother was born there. I'm a descendant of the mutineers Fletcher Christian, John Mills and Edward Young, and the Tahitian women who went there, Mauatua, Vahineatua, To'ofaiti and Teraura. I've been to the island and I'm active in the Pitcairn community here in New Zealand. The island is a vibrant community of people working. When I was there they were very warm and welcoming. The is…

Do you happen to know why the wind turbine project didn't work out? It seems electricity currently comes from diesel generators, and there was a plan to get a wind turbine installed, but somehow it wasn't delivered?

Re: Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018)

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Post by Gradient-Ascent »

midasuni wrote: post #69
doublec wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely! The cost might be prohibitive for the Pitcairners salary though.

I suspect that price will be adjusted depending on target market. Won’t cost spacex anything to provide Internet to tiny islands like this

Can you just use one dish and then connect everyone to this one dish? Costs 100$ a month divided by all inhabitants. It makes sense to setup one dish and connect a couple of people to it. It does not make sense to setup one dish next to another.

Remote areas = Mostly people, that can't actually afford it.

Does Starlink support this or is it against their interest?

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