I think the important question is, can we trust a large company like Google, Apple or Intel again in the future, and how do we know that they're not spying on us?
An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning
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Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.
Why do you need to put your images on a cloud service at all? Just use a spare disk.
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#93Honestly I'm glad to see a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously, especially when the goal Apple announces appears to be for the greater good. It can be hard to stand on the side that doesn't immediately appear to be correct. We have already lost so many freedoms for 'national security' and other such blanket terminology. Just be warned, there will be those that unfairly try to cast this as h…
We're all here to make ourselves feel good saying we Took A Stand.
In reality, four weeks from now, do you think anybody will still be talking about it?
I made this same mistake. I was pretty convinced that people were taking Copilot seriously, and that there was possibly going to be ramifications for Microsoft. I wasn't particularly looking forward to it, but I rated it as plausible.
One stonewall and a few weeks later, here we are. Hardly a word anymore about it.
I think if there's going to be any real, long-term change, we have to find a way to combat the real threat: life goes on.
(Made me smile to phrase it like that, actually. That wasn't the combat I had in mind...)
It's true, though. Ask anyone in a month whether they take this seriously. They'll say yes. And what's it worth?
It's all we can do, of course. But that's just another way of saying we're powerless.
Like it or not, we aren't in control. And unless we can figure a way to get some measure of control, then what are we doing here, really?
Your three bullet points are wonderful, and I agree entirely with them. And it won't change a damn thing.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And even for the ones that would starve, I'm sorry, but I put the well-being of the entirety of society and our collective future over their lives. God, just listen to yourself. Personally I think their plans are fairly balanced and reasonable. Like it or not, there are legitimate interests here. It's a difficult trade-off and conversation. Ostracizing people and saying you would literally rather have people DIE is…
What makes you think I haven't listened to myself? And don't bring God into this, he's left the conversation a long long time ago; This shit's on us. I really couldn't care less if you think their plans are balanced or reasonable -- I don't agree with that on a fundamental level because Apple has long passed that threshold. This is just their latest digging a deeper hole. And why should I feel obligated to add to a c…
I don't really understand this almost visceral hate towards Apple. They do some things I like, and some things I don't like. This kind of stuff is not going to change anyone's mind, much less help them understand your position.
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* enter RISC-V *
So we force Apple to migrate away from ARM? Or should the next iPhone have a swappable CPU?
Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning
#96So, if I understand correctly, the NCMEC provides a bunch of hashes of CSAM for Apple to match. This way Apple doesn’t get exposed to the content of images themselves? Then Apple will provide a user’s details plus the IDs of matching content. This identifies the direction of travel for any CSAM content? So, now NCMEC and any local NCMEC can provide new hashes and identify – possibly even historically – the epicentre…
I really think people are missing this point. NCMEC's database is not an infallible, audited and trustworthy source of despicable imagery. It's a mess contributed to by thousands of companies, individuals and police.
It's also so intertwined with the FBI that I don't think it's truly correct to call NCMEC independent, given FBI employees work at NCMEC, including on the database.
The FBI's involvement is particularly notable here, given their past usage of mass surveillance.
This is a truly terrifying precedent.
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They said FOSS, not OSS. F means free as in freedom. As in you’re free to modify the software running on your phone at will and to your liking and Apple or some government can’t get in your way.. not even for the kids .
Processor microcode is closed source (Intel/AMD), including most of the BIOS code. You are having hard time to build your devices. Maybe we can see change in the future.
> coreboot is a Free Software project aimed at replacing the proprietary BIOS (firmware) found in most computers. coreboot performs a little bit of hardware initialization and then executes additional boot logic, called a payload.
Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning
#98I’m not sure what to think of the backlash here. I’m sure that people aren’t trying to minimize the evil of child pornography and exploitation. But anything that has the potential to stop or slow it should be fairly considered. People complaining that Apple is scanning your photos, they are already doing that. Where was this backlash when they released the memories feature? Why is scanning your photos for good pictur…
But anything that has
the potential to stop
or slow it should be
fairly considered
Strip searching everyone hourly will stop most contraband, including child pornography. And, according to you, it should be fairly considered.Shall we start with you?
(And as people do have naked photos of themselves on their phones often[1], make no mistake, the strip search analogy is NOT an exaggeration)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_phot...
Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning
#99Honestly I'm glad to see a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously, especially when the goal Apple announces appears to be for the greater good. It can be hard to stand on the side that doesn't immediately appear to be correct. We have already lost so many freedoms for 'national security' and other such blanket terminology. Just be warned, there will be those that unfairly try to cast this as h…
> especially when the goal Apple announces appears to be for the greater good. Not surprising at all. In Russia, _every_ measure to limit internet freedom was introduced under the pretence of fighting child pornography and extremism. Then, of course, it was used to block the websites of political opponents.
Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning
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The concern is less about outing people with CSAM and more about Apple building a powerful tool for government surveillance that will most certainly be abused by countries like China and Saudi Arabia when they request that politically dangerous images be added to the database if Apple wants to continue business in their country. It is incredibly myopic of Apple to implement this feature. You must consider, as an engi…
This isn't a powerful tool, it's more akin to a rudimentary hash check. It's not going to match photos that aren't already known to authorities. And any time a user is flagged, the material in question is sighted by an Apple employee before a decision is made whether to forward it onto the relevant authorities.