These charge speeds are quite low. Are the chargers bad, or is the car just slow?
I feel like my XC40 P8 charges much faster
Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days
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#182I just did a 2 day 2000 mile trip in my long range model 3. Total charging costs were around $100, which didn’t include two stops where the superchargers were free (network connectivity problems?). Required a total of 13 supercharging stops. Each stop was between 20min to 45min. I started off completely full, and charged overnight at a Tesla destination charger, (so, 14 stops?). Roughly half the cost of the article’s…
Most recent long drive was 725 miles in a gasoline-fueled Volkswagen. Took about 12 hours with one 10 minute fuel stop.
So I did the same recently, but in a PHEV, and I honestly think it's the best of both worlds. In my daily usage, I use zero fuel. Last time I filled up was in March, because I just charge it at home and nearly all of my daily driving is within the 30 mile EV-only range. But when we drove across Europe I could just carry on for about 600 miles per tank, only filling up once at a well stocked petrol station(with working bathrooms and a restaurant).
Anecdotally - tried to charge the car in Germany when we stopped for lunch, but found that it was impossible to start the session, the app wouldn't accept my non-german payment card so that was that. Would suck if I had to charge.
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#183>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…
>>$3700 per year for comprehensive insurance,
Bit of an aside - how is American insurance so stupidly expensive. Here in UK I have a brand new Volvo XC60 PHEV, £60k, 400bhp car, in one of the highest insurance groups(like group 45 out of 50), I'm 30 years old and my fully comprehensive insurance is £400 a year. That's including 20 million liability limit, legal cover, courtesy vehicle, key cover.....etc etc.
Yeah when I was 21 my insurance was £2000 a year on some crappy old econobox, but in general once you turn 25 the insurance falls down rapidly. On my previous Mercedes AMG I paid about £500 a year for fully comprehensive, aged 26.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't there a ferry from Finland to Germany or at least Poland? ... What would be really nice on that route would be a sleeper service, once that tunnel between Finland and Estonia and rail Baltica is built.
Yeah, there's a ferry from Rostock to Helsinki. However I'm trying to reduce my travel-related emissions, and after crunching the numbers have concluded that the best option would be ferry+train via Sweden, with electric car via Sweden a close second (per head, assuming two people or more in the car). Fingers crossed for that tunnel and a direct overnight train connection!
How did you work out the emissions of the ferry routes?
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#1851000 Miles in two days is a pretty lazy pace of a drive. I imagine that's because it takes so long to recharge. 750 miles a day is my usual but 1000 a day is doable.
Assuming that there is only one driver, 750 miles is 12.5hrs and 1000 miles is 16.6hrs at 60mph average. Both of those are above the 11 of 24hrs that a commercial truck driver is permitted to be on the road in the US. Say what you want about regulations, but I take that as an upper limit to how long one can safely operate a motor vehicle. I try to stay under 8hrs per day for long trips with around 7 being my target a…
Until we get self-driving cars. Or a better network of trains. Not sure which is more plausible.
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#186>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…
You're forgetting the initial layout -- that's a car starting at $70000. Who the hell pays that for a car, when half that gets you a car just as nice but running on gasoline? I haven't bought a new car in ages, but my limit was, and remains, €30k. As long as electric cars cost double what comparable fossil fuel cars cost, with half the range, I don't see any electric revolution happening.
>>Who the hell pays that for a car, when half that gets you a car just as nice but running on gasoline?
Does it? What example do you have in mind? Because the only one I can think of is perhaps the E-Tron compared to the Audi Q5, and I'd argue that to reach the "half" mark you'd get a Q5 that has barely any options fitted in, while the E-Tron will come packed with tech. And then yes, there is the Tesla Model S which is absolutely not worth the money they are asking, but it's an exception not the rule. There's more and more EV vehicles where there isn't a non-EV equivalent for half the price.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really depends... The EV travel is a different cadence, for sure. Whether that's a bad thing or not will depend on the individual. The 30-40 minute stops every couple hours that I have experienced in my older Tesla (60kwh, later upgraded to 75kwh), is nice to nap, visit attractions, eat and use restrooms, walk the dog... It definitely makes for a different trip than screeching to a stop at the pump, running in to…
Except you just turned a 2 day drive into 3 days. 24 hour drive from DFW->LA. That takes 1 overnight stay now in sane driving conditions for a solo driver. You now just kicked it into a 2nd overnight. >running in to pee while the pump is running anyone doing this deserves to be ripped off for leaving an authorized pump to do whatever someone wants to do while you're not there. no different than leaving the keys in th…
> anyone doing this deserves to be ripped off
This is theft. Plain and simple theft.
I dream of a world where everybody can leave the keys in the ignition and the doors open because nobody steals. Thieves are caught and are given a stern warning and therapy. It's an utopia.
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#188>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…
All good points! However one thing EVs have is much cheaper maintenance! Having no oil changes adds up in savings.
> Having no oil changes adds up in savings.
You probably don’t need to change your oil as often as you are, if it’s registering as an expense at all.
Check what the manufacturer actually says - for example my manufacturer says don’t bother changing for two years. Lots of Americans driving the exact same cars change their oil every three months for no reason.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also tiring on the other side hearing how bad a 30-40 minute charger stop is. C'est la vie. However... Add up all the time a gas car spends at the pump, that an EV does not (charging at home), and I'd guess most people will spend less time waiting for the EV than for gas. And the charging time is coming down. My older Tesla is limited to 100kwh charging, the modern ones can use chargers in the range of 250kwh.
> My older Tesla is limited to 100kwh charging What does that mean? kWh is a measure of energy not power. Does the charge stop after delivering 100kWh? How long does it take to do that?
They probably just meant kW instead of kWh.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, there's a ferry from Rostock to Helsinki. However I'm trying to reduce my travel-related emissions, and after crunching the numbers have concluded that the best option would be ferry+train via Sweden, with electric car via Sweden a close second (per head, assuming two people or more in the car). Fingers crossed for that tunnel and a direct overnight train connection!
How did you work out the emissions of the ferry routes?
I used the numbers from the Finnish state research centre VTT (http://lipasto.vtt.fi/yksikkopaastot/tavaraliikennee/vesilii...)