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Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by analognoise »

beprogrammed wrote: post #108
yunohn wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a big difference between password reset rules, and giving third-parties access to emails and calendar. There is nothing draconian about restricting IMAP - any app could exfiltrate confidential emails once granted access. It’s a very sane rule to disallow everything except webmail or first party apps.

It's a terrible process for the users. And as we can see what did it get them, a third party logging into there webmail. The service is protected with a username and password, didn't matter if it was IMAP or webmail.

An employee who redirects company emails to get around a security rule becomes an ex-employee very quickly.

Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by cxr »

yunohn wrote: post #105
sebzim4500 wrote: post #104

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I interpreted his comment as saying he did not ask permission. Probably he'll be fine as long as nothing he did was explicitly against any rules, even if it is clearly against the spirit of the rules. More likely still, no one will ever find out.

He’ll be fine as long as the extension doesn’t steal data. The moment that happens, his job is on the line.

What happened to vetting sources? Beonex is Ben Bucksch, a Mozilla true believer who's been around since before Firefox even existed. The chances that it will suddenly turn into malware is about as likely a distro's coreutils package maintainer going rogue—and far less likely than the revolving door at Mozilla Corp leading to the Firefox product team deciding to do something untoward themselves.

Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by cxr »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #78
dotancohen wrote: post #64

If your company uses Office 365, these guys have a plugin that I think parses the HTML website to get your mail (and calendar!) into Thunderbird: https://www.beonex.com/owl/ Just this week I gave them 10 Euros for the addon because my company refuses to enable IMAP for Office 365. I'm not affiliated with them, but I've been using the Tbird addon for a few weeks and it works perfectly. The license is per-year, though…

Interesting, too bad it's not FOSS though. I would like to see how it works.

It's written in unminified JS.

Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by [deleted] »

EMM_386 wrote: post #65
wodenokoto wrote: post #3

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I’d venture it is because Firefox is developed by a for-profit corporation with hundreds of millions in revenue. So the split is: you can donate to the non-profit organization, while the for-profit corporation only handles taxable income. The reason why it is split is due to taxes. Mozilla created the corporation after getting in trouble with the IRS. Edit: I haven’t kept up with Thunderbird for a very long time, but…

> I’d venture it is because Firefox is developed by a for-profit corporation with hundreds of millions in revenue. I think a lot of people are confused about this, myself included. A lot of people want to donate directly to Firefox for development. But there are vast sums of money to the tune of $400M+ already involved here. I assume the $20 donations people give to Mozilla go towards the broader initiatives of the F…

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Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by l0b0 »

Not stable enough for production. Every time I've tried to use them (3-5 times since they got started) they've lost emails and calendar events in inexplicable ways, possibly by not taking a careful enough approach when dealing with unreliable connections or full storage. The suggested solution when reporting bugs has several times been to try the latest version with no justification other than "it might be fixed now, who knows" or reset completely and spend several hours reconfiguring and re-downloading everything.

The least terrible solution I've found so far is GNOME Evolution, which I don't think has lost anything outright yet, although the UX is meh (no option for separate event start/end time zones, slow search even when all emails are cached locally, randomly requires re-signing in to Google, defaults time zone to Antarctica/McMurdo when travelling(?!?), does not seem to give any indication whether spam filtering is working or not, groups all accounts under my Google account in the Edit → Accounts view, and many more I can't remember off the top of my head).

Sorry to be so negative, but so far every single email client (Evolution, K-9, Mutt, Outlook, Thunderbird) has been a chore, for different reasons. Gmail/Google Calendar is the only client(s) I rate, but I'm shutting down that account slowly for obvious reasons.

Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by stereoradonc »

A better way to use email is through the browser, isn't it? I wonder what's use of an email client; especially now since the storage cost in the "cloud" have plummeted. I can't imagine backing up my 10 years worth of email locally when Fastmail on the web works well.

Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by upofadown »

stereoradonc wrote: post #116

A better way to use email is through the browser, isn't it? I wonder what's use of an email client; especially now since the storage cost in the "cloud" have plummeted. I can't imagine backing up my 10 years worth of email locally when Fastmail on the web works well.

Doing your email locally on a device you control means you can do effective end to end encryption. Otherwise you end up having to trust that your webmail provider does not become interested in the content of your emails.

Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by wpietri »

gowld wrote: post #58
wpietri wrote: post #41

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What in the world? I thought maybe their original statement would make more sense, but no: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/ We received a lot of donations from the community, so we're going to shift to a for-profit footing? That does not make a lot of sense to me. One of the things I really like about Thunderbird is that it's from a not-for-profit entity. It makes it easier to trust them wi…

> it's from a not-for-profit entity. It makes it easier to trust them with so much of my most personal data. Why? Non-profit status has nothing to do with privacy policy. It just means that money goes to employees and vendors instead of owners (who could be the same people for all practical purposes).

Thanks, yes, it turns out I'm familiar with basic definitions. But not-for-profit culture is much more mission-oriented than for-profit culture, at least in the US. I've worked and consulted for both for-profit and not-for-profit entities, and know which I would rather trust.

Re: Give to Thunderbird

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Post by mappu »

floor_ wrote: post #43
adar wrote: post #38

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Do you have a link to the bug report?

I've long since deleted the email updates. It was in regards to them removing semicolons as separators for lists of email addresses. You can only use commas now.

Not to justify their behaviour, but, i think it is technically possible to have a ; character be part of an email address.

It is not possible to have a , character, so that one is always safe to use as a separator (as From: does)

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