So UK is what living with covid19 will look like for those in highly vaccinated western countries?
The OP mentions England, not the whole of the UK
They do, but similar results are being seen in the other nations of the UK.
94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
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Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
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> there were far too many people who denied it was anything more serious than the flu and didn't take any precautions. Well apparently quite a number of people must have taken precautions, because that's the explanation for why the flu has basically disappeared off the face of the earth.
The flu is far less contagious than COVID. Even small measures affect the numbers.
Who knew after decades of administering flu vaccines that all it took to eradicate the flu was half-assedly wearing cotton face masks?
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#133Amazing to see that the UK has >90% positive vaccine sentiment, and close to 90% with at least one dose of vaccines now. Am I reading that right? How did they manage to avoid the politicization of the issue that is keeping people from getting the shot in other Western countries?
I think the number is more like 50 odd percent of the population? I think the 90% number is of some limited subset like "adults who have received at least shot"?
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We don't have enough doctors and nurses to staff the ICU beds bolted to the floors of the hospital. Those field hospitals are surge capacity; and work with hurricanes and earthquakes where a single part of the country is affected. You can bring in volunteers and reservists from other areas to create capacity. When the emergency is everywhere, and on-going, all of your surge capacity is gone.
The emergency has been everywhere and ongoing for almost 2 years now. At what point do they make an effort and the government says "Hey, let's permanently bolster our hospital systems. We'll hire X amount of 'surge' staff, create X amount of 'surge' beds". But we don't do that. Instead we act surprised every time there's a surge, the media feeds off it and everyone starts infighting. I'm not convinced hospital capaci…
You need to train more doctors first. That’s the issue.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
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Isn’t that what is happening? I was just in the US for a couple weeks (Portland, OR) and rules were minimal and optional everywhere. Not the kind of thing that would drive mental health issues, as best I could tell.
That can't possibly be right, according to Fox News, Portland, OR is an authoritarian communist hellhole. Just glad you got out alive.
Portland has a lot of problems compared to the last time I was there five years ago, but it's not in quarantine lockdown or anything like that.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#136Amazing to see that the UK has >90% positive vaccine sentiment, and close to 90% with at least one dose of vaccines now. Am I reading that right? How did they manage to avoid the politicization of the issue that is keeping people from getting the shot in other Western countries?
I think the number is more like 50 odd percent of the population? I think the 90% number is of some limited subset like "adults who have received at least shot"?
It's percentage of people over 16.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
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That seems like the stupidest lottery to enter into however. Even people without an "underlying health condition" have died. And even those who haven't died are experiencing long term complications from having had COVID. So you can either hope you don't have a hard time with COVID if you catch it. Or you can drastically reduce your chances of having a hard time and of catching it all by just taking a couple minutes o…
I have two people on my team who are both in their mid-20s. Both have had covid in the last couple of weeks, one hadn't had his vaccine the other only his first dose. The one without ended up in hospital for 2 weeks and was very nearly intubated. The other had a mild cough and has happily worked through it. I know which one I'd pick.
And without in-depth diagnostics to know both parties health state (not just shallow visual "they look healthy/are active") then you're making huge assumption as to if it was result of vaccine or not; and that ideology, lack of critical thinking, is why society is in the state we're; this will get downvoted too if it gets any exposure, another sign society is askew - because I'm correct in my statement but people who are ideological don't like being proven wrong.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
The flu is far less contagious than COVID. Even small measures affect the numbers.
Who knew after decades of administering flu vaccines that all it took to eradicate the flu was half-assedly wearing cotton face masks?
And more hand washing, and more distancing, etc.
Because, like I said, the flu is far less contagious.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have two people on my team who are both in their mid-20s. Both have had covid in the last couple of weeks, one hadn't had his vaccine the other only his first dose. The one without ended up in hospital for 2 weeks and was very nearly intubated. The other had a mild cough and has happily worked through it. I know which one I'd pick.
And without in-depth diagnostics to know both parties health state (not just shallow visual "they look healthy/are active") then you're making huge assumption as to if it was result of vaccine or not; and that ideology, lack of critical thinking, is why society is in the state we're; this will get downvoted too if it gets any exposure, another sign society is askew - because I'm correct in my statement but people who…
Are we doing "in-depth diagnostics" of everyone?
No.
But based on statistical evidence alone, borne out by millions of data points, not a single solitary anecdote, the vaccine works to protect you from the worse of COVID if you catch it at all.
You decry a "lack of critical thinking", but don't apply any yourself. It's just a cudgel to you to use against people who don't agree with you. Consider the simple fact that you may be wrong.
And look at you, boosting every huckster claim but ignoring the one thing that is shown to work on a large scale. Would it soothe your feelings if we just said the vaccine was an ivermectin hcq cocktail?
Because it looks like you want to "them" to be wrong more than anything else.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have two people on my team who are both in their mid-20s. Both have had covid in the last couple of weeks, one hadn't had his vaccine the other only his first dose. The one without ended up in hospital for 2 weeks and was very nearly intubated. The other had a mild cough and has happily worked through it. I know which one I'd pick.
And without in-depth diagnostics to know both parties health state (not just shallow visual "they look healthy/are active") then you're making huge assumption as to if it was result of vaccine or not; and that ideology, lack of critical thinking, is why society is in the state we're; this will get downvoted too if it gets any exposure, another sign society is askew - because I'm correct in my statement but people who…
From an individual point of view, where are you going to go for a in-depth health assessment? Presumably the same doctor who would recommend in the strongest terms that you get the vaccine unless you have a history of certain clotting disorders or are using particular medication. Unless you seek out a doctor on the fringes of established medical fact.