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Post by syshum »

mindslight wrote: post #185
syshum wrote: post #110

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The joy's of Government Healthcare. No one wants to pay more taxes, No one wants healthcare workers get less money, No One wants substandard care.. You can not have All 3, More Care, and More Pay requires more Taxes... Canadian's however do not want to pay more Taxes.

You can get all 3 improvements if you're starting with an absolutely terrible worst-of-all-worlds system, like the one we have in the US. The main losers of any reform would be administrative paper pushers, but needless fakejobs aren't good for anybody.

I find it highly ironic that you believe the losers "administrative paper pushers" when 90% of the paperwork needed by the medical industry is a result of GOVERNMENT regulations. Medicare is full of all kind of "administrative paper pushers"

It is beyond me why people think the solution to a government created problem is more government

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Post by rdtwo »

lallysingh wrote: post #19
MattGaiser wrote: post #15

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If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.

There are certainly shops that treat you like garbage but pay very well. It's an abusive form of golden handcuffs.

Amazon

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Post by rdtwo »

Miner49er wrote: post #218
voidfunc wrote: post #71

I know someone who works in hospital / physician group admin that said doctors are straight up quitting right now unless the hospital bends to their demands to only work 3 days a week. They can't hire doctors either and they have no way to accept new patients at the moment.

Seems reasonable, depending on shift length. Some doctors work 24 hour shifts, three 24 hour shifts a week would be brutal. Even three 12 hour shifts would be 36 hours, not much less than a standard 40 hour week.

3 12 hour shifts is often a full work week in places where that’s normal

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Post by mindslight »

syshum wrote: post #291
mindslight wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get all 3 improvements if you're starting with an absolutely terrible worst-of-all-worlds system, like the one we have in the US. The main losers of any reform would be administrative paper pushers, but needless fakejobs aren't good for anybody.

I find it highly ironic that you believe the losers "administrative paper pushers" when 90% of the paperwork needed by the medical industry is a result of GOVERNMENT regulations. Medicare is full of all kind of "administrative paper pushers" It is beyond me why people think the solution to a government created problem is more government

My own preferred solution would be to restore working market mechanisms - eg start by eliminating this corrupt ability of the industry to enforce post-facto arbitrary bills, and start prosecuting providers for billing fraud. But it's foolish to not also recognize that a single payer system would be better than what we have now. I have experience with Medicare from taking care of a family member, and while it had its problems it was still much better than all of the pitfalls of "private" insurance.

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Post by adolph »

varelse wrote: post #204
adolph wrote: post #193

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> Drive drunk all you want, but don't whine if you get caught and they throw you in jail and take away your car and license. Do you think a person who sustained an injury while they were intoxicated and needs medical treatment "get zero health insurance coverage?" Would it matter if they were at fault? Do you think a person who made a poor life decision "get zero health insurance coverage?" > What's with all this neg…

1.I think they should get medical coverage if they have insurance and then they should be thrown in jail losing both their licence and their car. And then criminally charged if anyone else was harmed through their actions. 2. Does their poor life decision harm others or just themselves? If the former (say a mass shooting), yes. But I support your right to self harm though I'd hope someone cared enough about you to di…

> they should get medical coverage if they have insurance

Do you think hospitals should refuse the uninsured?

> if they're willing to isolate themselves

On what basis do you think people who refuse masks and vaccination isolate themselves instead of other people?

To what lengths would you advocate for compliance verification with regards to vaccination and masking?

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Post by varelse »

iammisc wrote: post #288
varelse wrote: post #280

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So you are asserting it is impossible for a virus to increase its fatality rate through mutation within the same species? That there has to be a zoonotic transfer for this to be possible? Where's your evidence? Because this must mean that contrary to the prevailing belief across the scientific community that Spanish Flu did exactly that (1), there must have been 2 Zoonotic events transfer events between the first and…

I'll just quote what I said above: > As with any 'rule', there are exceptions, but that is the general idea yes. There is little need to worry about future variants.

According to you. And we should all take you at your word because this is the hill on which you have chosen to die? Got it.

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Post by NonContro »

AlexandrB wrote: post #8

Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...

Part of the fatigue is the intense level of PPE. Its physically exhausting and usually just theatre because so many healthcare workers are either vaccinated or have already had COVID.

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Post by iammisc »

varelse wrote: post #272
iammisc wrote: post #254

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> Denying expensive claims increases profitability right up to the point they lose enough customers to offset those gains. Am I missing something fundamental about capitalism here? Yes... the ultimate responsible party is the patient, not the insurance company. It makes no sense to deny Americans the right to use the hospital because the hospitals are private entities contracting with their patients, not a government…

Who's denying Americans the right to use hospitals if their insurance is denied due to a pre-existing condition of being unvaccinated? Freedom isn't free, they should have done their cost/benefit analysis a priori instead of trying to shaft the rest of us with the bar tab. Sounds like you want Medical Marxism to me. And if the hospital is filled to capacity maximizing revenue already, why can't a free market entity p…

I think you've gone off the deep end. I replied to a comment suggesting making hospitalization of unvaccinated illegal by social policy. I said that doesn't make sense in a country where government is not nominally involved in hospitalizations.

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Post by wheelinsupial »

FireBeyond wrote: post #239
zsmi wrote: post #192

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It depends what one means by "shift". For example my brother-in-law is a firefighter. He spends 3/4 days straight in the firehouse and then comes home for 3/4 days and works something like 12 hours straight when he is on call and gets rest periods when not actually doing firefighter work. This is possible because the firehouse basically has a small dorm in it. When I ask him when he is going to work he says he has a…

As a firefighter, even for firefighters that's beyond the norm. He's picking up extra shifts, there. The typical maximum scheduled is 48 on, 96 off. Around here (west coast) it's typically called a Detroit schedule (so not just west coast, I guess!)... 24 on, 48 off, but even more closely around here we use a Modified Detroit, which is a nine day rotation, where you work a 24 hour shift on days 1, 3 and 5 of the rota…

On the Canadian west coast, my brother works as a firefighter. Their schedule is 4 days of work. 2 day shifts followed by 2 night shifts. Day shifts are shorter than night shifts.

I believe it’s 10 hours for the first two days (you’re off in your own home in the evening). The next two nights are 14 hours, and the fire fighters are in bed if there is no calls. I think day shift is 7 am to 5 pm, and night shift is 5 pm to 7 am.

It’s amazing what type of hours Americans are doing.

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Post by prirun »

Last time I was in the hospital, I asked my nurse if she liked her job. We got to talking and she mentioned she previously worked as a barkeep. I said, "Well, at least you're making better money now." She said, "Actually, I made more money as a barkeep." I was completely shocked.

Does this mean we need to increase health care costs? Of course not. We need to get rid of the waste, same as with university tuition and adjunct professors not making much.

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