Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

Post by jacquesm » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

abeppu wrote: post #153

jacquesm wrote: post #32

After seeing the global chaotic response to COVID I'm convinced that climate change will not receive a meaningful response until it is way too late. It apparently needs to hit the majority of the planet right in the gut (and then preferably the wealthy part) for people to get off their collective asses and do something about it. I'm just about ready to pack it in and hope the next generation is smarter than this one…

The crazy thing is it _is_ hitting the wealthy parts, but that still hasn't galvanized sufficient response. A very partial list of headline impacts in the first world off the top of my head: - US West Coast droughts and fires - Pacific Northwest heat dome - Texas cold snap - Epic floods in Germany - Australian wild fires - European heat waves - Even when rich SF techies were under a terrifying orange sky, our behavio…

Post by jacquesm » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #157

jacquesm wrote: post #32

After seeing the global chaotic response to COVID I'm convinced that climate change will not receive a meaningful response until it is way too late. It apparently needs to hit the majority of the planet right in the gut (and then preferably the wealthy part) for people to get off their collective asses and do something about it. I'm just about ready to pack it in and hope the next generation is smarter than this one…

Getting billions of people to work together cooperatively to do something was always a complete pipe dream. It’s the fantasy that, this time central planning will work, because this thing is so important. We should have been throwing money at carbon capture technologies decades ago.

Post by Ekaros » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

vimy wrote: post #91

beebmam wrote: post #70

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It's important to remember that plastic waste is virtually unrelated to climate change. They both might be "green" issues, but plastic straws in our oceans aren't going to have any significant effect on warming the planet. They'll just end up causing ecological changes/damage. Malicious actors try to conflate the two. Carbon gas emissions pose an existential threat to the future of human society; plastic straws do no…

In fact, the plastic replacements often cause more emissions. Because of production or because more trucks are needed for the same products with thicker packaging. Supermarket chain in my country changed their packaging, the same amount now needs 2 trucks instead of one. Also glass bottles or cardboard are heavier so more fuel consumption.

Post by bediger4000 » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

throw0101a wrote: post #50

matttproud wrote: post #5

Makes me look back at the last 20-30 years of discourse in the United States and let out a deep sigh. Had CFC propellants emerged today, I highly doubt the U.S. would have been a signatory to the Montreal Protocol — just to own the libs or avoid hindering the market by a boogeyman of 0.0001% overhead or some other form of contrarian political identity differentiation.

> Makes me look back at the last 20-30 years of discourse in the United States and let out a deep sigh. George H.W. Bush ("Bush 41") actually had a decent track record on the environment and climate change: * https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/george-h-w-bush-underst... The craziness with the GOP started more recently (post-1990s).

Post by myth_drannon » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #93

failuser wrote: post #69

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Northwest Russia is habitable. Not that pleasant, but habitable.

For a relatively limited number of people and with a standard of life that doesn't compare to western/northern Europe. It will be 'a bit of an adjustment' to put it euphemistically. I've lived in Northern Canada, which is somewhat comparable to Northwest Russia and sure, it's doable, but civilization as it currently exists in the countries that are exposed to this will cease, the present day number of inhabitants wil…