Apple plans to scan US iPhones for child abuse imagery

Post by nullifidian » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #156

nullifidian wrote: post #73

While they are at it they should up the ante and also add COVID misinformation filters, so that a phone refuses to save it and/or doesn't send it anywhere. Would be very topical. There is also racism and other almost universally recognized wrongthink. If you decide to police offline activity as if it's a cloud platform, why not implement all the online platform's automatic content filtering/censorship? /s

COVID "misinformation", anti-lockdown protests, any movements that are commonly labelled as domestic terrorism (boog bois, antifa, maybe even BLM; in China it will be anything that speaks out against the CCP, etc) - the potential for abuse is massive. Anyone that trusts the feds to do the right thing here is incredibly naive. They get to operate a black-box database; if your phone has any photos that match an entry i…

Post by fallingknife » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

mm983 wrote: post #213

fallingknife wrote: post #197

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> Child abusers evolve and are very happy if law enforcement doesn't. Yes. And now they will evolve by developing a simple system to modify pixels in images when they copy and transmit that will easily defeat this hashing system. The only effect this will have is that moral panickers like you will have got everybody's privacy invaded over your moral panic of the day.

Again, you don't appear to know how this works. Look up fuzzy hash, i even mentioned it in the comment.

Post by elzbardico » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 5:49 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #14

I really don't see how this is going to end well, there could be perfectly innocent photos on someone's phone of their own children doing perfectly normal things that kids do. Like a kid running butt naked around the house, or a photo of something like a rash that is sent to a nurse friend for advice on what it is etc. I'm all for protecting children from being abused, but how are they going to filter what is normal…

Post by skinkestek » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

shuckles wrote: post #192

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #179

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You think Facebook and Google Photos should be the goal for privacy standards? You and I are practically in different universes then, philosophically. You're also being naive by swallowing the "it's only iCloud" justification. There is a clear intent to progress to scanning all local photos. After all, if photos must be match those of a government child abuse database, and any matches trigger manual review, what woul…

What advice would you give Apple if they’re faced with a legitimate government asking it to comply with the laws they have instituted in the society Apple wants to do business? I don’t appreciate you calling me naive. There isn’t clear intent to scanning all local photos. In fact, it seems like the system was deliberately designed to only work with photos that are being uploaded to iCloud.

Post by diebeforei485 » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 5:53 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #172

cronix wrote: post #124

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Don't worry, AI is very good at these things and never makes mistakes. It is so advanced it even understands nuance and complex communication mechanisms like sarcasm in text, even if it's only a single sentence to contrast! It will be able to know exactly the context of each image and it will affect only the sickos. We're also working on watching your face through the camera to see your true expression when viewing t…

There is zero AI classification involved, it’s a lookup vs hashes of known child porn images. You would need a hash collision, misidentified photo in the dataset, or legitimate use case to end up with a false positive.