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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by Bjartr »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #567
Bjartr wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The warning: "Don't buy Apple products, their locked down hardware and walled garden is going to be trouble" People: Ignore warning, buy iPhone You: "Don't buy Apple products" isn't an action.

> Don't buy Apple products... What is the follow-on? Which products should we buy then? Any phone other than Apple's? None?

Yes! Buying a different phone or even forgoing a feature phone are both valid alternatives. Just because the alternatives are unappealing doesn't mean "There are no alternatives" or "The warning wasn't actionable" into true statements.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by Bjartr »

dijit wrote: post #569
Bjartr wrote: post #557

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The warning: "Don't buy Apple products, their locked down hardware and walled garden is going to be trouble" People: Ignore warning, buy iPhone You: "Don't buy Apple products" isn't an action.

The alternative is? Google phone? This is not an alternative if you care about privacy. The allegory presented sounds insane (growing your own food) but honestly if you're not rolling your own flashed ROM on a 'droid then your privacy is dead already; I understand throwing all your eggs in one basket is a terrible idea but Apples walled garden and heavy sandboxing was at least somewhat protective.

Buying a different phone or even forgoing a feature phone entirely are both valid alternatives. Just because the alternatives are unappealing doesn't make "There are no alternatives" or "The warning wasn't actionable" into true statements.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by [deleted] »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #567
Bjartr wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The warning: "Don't buy Apple products, their locked down hardware and walled garden is going to be trouble" People: Ignore warning, buy iPhone You: "Don't buy Apple products" isn't an action.

> Don't buy Apple products... What is the follow-on? Which products should we buy then? Any phone other than Apple's? None?

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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by warkdarrior »

gruez wrote: post #489
eecc wrote: post #389

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So, it’s not that other platforms are any better! Are you sure intel, AMD, Arm or windows TPM aren’t snitching on you? Do we need to make our own silicon from ingot? There’s no technological solution to this problem, only social and legislative.

>windows TPM aren’t snitching on you? The TPM FUD has really gone out of hand. 1. there's no such thing as "windows TPMs", whatever that means. 2. TPMs basically has zero access to the rest of the system. It's connected via a LPC bus, so there's no fancy DMA attacks to pull off. Over that bus the system firmware sends various hashes of the system state (eg. hash of your bootloader), but that's about it.

> 2. TPMs basically has zero access to the rest of the system. It's connected via a LPC bus, so there's no fancy DMA attacks to pull off. Over that bus the system firmware sends various hashes of the system state (eg. hash of your bootloader), but that's about it.

That's the specification. Have you actually monitored the bus using probes? Did you check that the TPM is only connected to LPC?

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by fsflover »

stackedinserter wrote: post #608
browningstreet wrote: post #595

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Lawmakers are more likely to enforce the direction this discussion is objecting to.

I agree, but we can elect different lawmakers. Let's push Louis Rossman to congress for example. I checked, his congressional district is represented by someone named Jerry Nadler, who's been sitting there since 1992 and (I'm pretty sure) is out of touch of his constituents since late 1990's.

The problem is you have to convince a large crowd for that. Spreading the information about free software and GNU/Linux phones is the same work explaining the people why we need to vote differently.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by fsflover »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #643
snarf21 wrote: post #500

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Great, so what's the solution? What are you doing to fix it? Do you roll your own silicon? Do you grow your own food (we have no idea what someone could be putting in it)? Are you completely off-grid? Or are you as completely dependent on society writ large as everyone else? Making holier than thou comments about everyone else being sheep isn't helpful or thought provoking. Offer an alternative if it is a bad one (lo…

> Great, so what's the solution? What are you doing to fix it? Nothing, because my phone is rooted Android.

With outdated Linux kernel, non-updatable and closed.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by 1--6zVa-E »

at_a_remove wrote: post #565

I have so many questions about the implementation details. 1) Does this work only on iPhones or will it be iPads, as well? 2) Is this part of a system software update? I wonder if that will show up in the notes and how it would be spun. "In order to better protect our users ..." 3) If it is part of the system software update, will they be trying to make it run on older iDevices? 4) Is it just photos in your photo bin…

I’m certain if it gets added to iPhones, it’ll get added to iPads. iPadOS is iOS.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by fsflover »

acdha wrote: post #511
deathhand wrote: post #421

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Not GP but... >99% of the population will delegate the decision of what code is allowed to run to someone, be it the manufacturer, the government, some guy on the Internet or whatever. For that 99% of the population, by the way, it's actually more beneficial to have restrictions on what software can be installed to avoid malware I do not agree with this. You are saying people are too stupid to make decisions and that…

> >99% of the population will delegate the decision of what code is allowed to run to someone, be it the manufacturer, the government, some guy on the Internet or whatever. For that 99% of the population, by the way, it's actually more beneficial to have restrictions on what software can be installed to avoid malware > I do not agree with this. You are saying people are too stupid to make decisions and that is amoral…

> How much of the code running on your data do you personally inspect?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28072201

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by kyralis »

Is there any actual evidence presented here? This is someone who's repeating "But it’s important to remember that this is the same company that won’t encrypt your iCloud backups because the FBI put pressure on them.", for which there is also no evidence and quite a lot of testimony to the contrary. His credibility seems questionable in the absence of evidence.
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