Live data from Hacker News

NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

nypost.com

971–980 of 1001 posts

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#971

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I might get one dose of the vaccine, just so I can not be part of either side of this crazy debate. What a silly way to make health decisions.

It's obvious sarcasm.

It actually wasn’t. Well I mean it was, but I mean if I get a vaccine, I literally will just get one dose.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#972

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I might get one dose of the vaccine, just so I can not be part of either side of this crazy debate. What a silly way to make health decisions.

No it isn’t actually. I’ve already had covid and recovered, so no “science” is saying you should get more than one as a booster. I’m only slightly joking about getting one dose. Although natural immunity makes me statistically unlikely to get or spread covid, there is thoughts that the vaccine might do better against the variants (and some thoughts it might do worse). They say it wouldn’t hurt to get a vaccine if you…

Sorry, that’s absurd. I cannot understand how you’re thinking about this, it is completely disjoint from how I think, and what I believe reality is. You might as well be talking about the sky being green as part of your rationalizations.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#973

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn’t actually. I’ve already had covid and recovered, so no “science” is saying you should get more than one as a booster. I’m only slightly joking about getting one dose. Although natural immunity makes me statistically unlikely to get or spread covid, there is thoughts that the vaccine might do better against the variants (and some thoughts it might do worse). They say it wouldn’t hurt to get a vaccine if you…

Sorry, that’s absurd. I cannot understand how you’re thinking about this, it is completely disjoint from how I think, and what I believe reality is. You might as well be talking about the sky being green as part of your rationalizations.

So let me ask you this, if there were vaccine mandates to do xyz and you had a coworker, who you knew not to be fully vaccinated doing xyz, and the authorities have given a hotline to anonymously report violators, would you report this person?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#974

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn’t actually. I’ve already had covid and recovered, so no “science” is saying you should get more than one as a booster. I’m only slightly joking about getting one dose. Although natural immunity makes me statistically unlikely to get or spread covid, there is thoughts that the vaccine might do better against the variants (and some thoughts it might do worse). They say it wouldn’t hurt to get a vaccine if you…

Sorry, that’s absurd. I cannot understand how you’re thinking about this, it is completely disjoint from how I think, and what I believe reality is. You might as well be talking about the sky being green as part of your rationalizations.

I mean I know how you feel though. Literally I’ve had friends whose kids couldn’t hug their grandmother for a year, while they were all visibly healthy and outside.

Like people are insane. I’ve had covid, and yet some would still recommend I avoid hanging out indoors with others who have also have covid if none of us have been vaccinated.

The vaccines are super duper effective, but because a possibility exist you could still get sick and the virus could mutate again we should go on living like crazy hermits and not be the social beings we are.

It is insane.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#975

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obvious sarcasm.

In this era, it is not obvious sarcasm. They might have intended it as sarcasm, but it’s far from obvious. Edit: looks like it wasn’t sarcasm at all.

I might actually get two doses in case my natural immunity is bad. And then rip up my vaccine card and will join with the non vaccinated crowd in not being allowed in restaurants demanding proof of vaccinations. Meanwhile as long as I’m not sick I will keep hanging out (as I’ve done this whole time) with my other non sick friends, and giving hugs and generally try to enjoy life.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#976
post #880

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One idea i've been musing for a while is that much American grief (high prices, archaic governments etc) seems to stem from a lack of new cities. Say austin is the new hotness, settled in 1800s. What about building a 2000s friendly city in the middle of nowhere and not limiting ourselves to the decisions made in 1800s like where's the water and walking/horse is the only mode of transport?

Pretty much any suburb around Austin meets that description.

I wouldn't differentiate those suburbs as anything of interest, their existence serves primarily to prop up the center.

what about building new centers?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#977

Some of the comments in here about the vaccine and the pandemic are shocking to me. I guess I was wrong, we have become a society of selfish and narcissistic people. I guess this pandemic will go on forever.

There shouldn't be a debate about it in the first place. If you want an even higher chance of not dying if you manage to catch the virus, get the vaccine. If you care about reducing the spread, wear the mask. I don't see why either of these things need to be mandated as they sound like pretty clear cut personal decisions in my eyes but I digress.

What I am seeing are a lot of people that conflate wearing a mask to being protected from the virus' side effects, or that getting the vaccine makes it impossible for them to transmit, and that they are morally/ethically superior to those who take neither of these decisions.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#978
post #629

I'm pretty tired of all this. If folks want don't want to get the vaccine, under the argument of personal responsibility, let them do what they want. However, if they willingly or negligently transmit covid, they should be civilly and maybe criminally liable. If they end up needing medical care, make them pay for it out of their pocket. Make them financially responsible for their decisions.

People who smoke or live an unhealthy lifestyle should pay medical care out of their own pockets too then.

They don't?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#979
post #129
post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

>I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government...

In my day job, I interact with many prisons and jails both across the US and in other countries. Minority inmates reject vaccination at a rate well above White inmates, largely due to trust issues. It's a huge problem, one that's not talked about enough due to the moronic social media meme that everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated must be a MAGA-hat-owner. This is provably incorrect.

Note that the C.O.s also largely distrust big .gov. I was just out at a facility where half of my escorts spontaneously brought up buying guns before Biden bans them (as he has indicated he wants to do — it's not a crazy notion). I've always been a skeptic, but the degree of distrust in authority has never been greater in my lifetime. It is unfortunate that this trend is costing lives.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

#980
post #892

Given the current attitudes towards vaccines and individual rights, it's doubtful we'll be able to have another achievement like the elimination of smallpox and polio. What happened in the last few decades? Increased mistrust of government? Shift in the views of individualism? Or is my assessment wrong and if something like smallpox popped up today we'd be able to work together to eradicate it?

I think it's because you don't understand quite how powerful the smallpox and polio vaccines are. I can walk around wherever I want with 0 concern of transmitting some dormant smallpox or polio. I don't see why people are comparing the COVID vaccine to either of these as you can still transmit COVID. In an absolute sense, all the COVID vaccine does is make your life more bearable, but those around you still have a non-zero chance of getting it from you. When you take that into account I start to wonder why some are so obsessed with treating it like the smallpox and polio vaccines when it is anything but.
Post reply on HN