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Post by DaniloDias »

citilife wrote: post #27

I dont know how you can take CNN seriously, they've repeatedly been show to suppress real information and promote single cases to support a narrative. They've even been caught bragging about this. Regarding capacity, hospitals are designed to run at 90% capacity -- the state literally limits the number of hospitals in regions to ensure this is the case (i.e. hospitals stay profitable). ICU capacity is often at 100% a…

I am enthusiastic about this new turn of events.

Downvotes help remind you of leftist demands for uniformity of thought and conformity. Fuck that milieu.

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Post by challengly »

goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

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Post by b112 »

psychometry wrote: post #73
_brnu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021062...

Most people who fall under "health care workers" don't have a medical degree. Many, including techs and nursing assistants, don't have a bachelor's degree either. So, that population isn't really all that different from the general U.S. population in many ways. Among physicians and medical researchers with PhDs, though, you'll find very little resistance to vaccines.

Have to jump in here, that last sentence really erks me.

This thread was about people perceiving a new vaccine, as one not tested enough.

This is vastly different from someone which has resistance to vaccination overall.

I am quite concerned that such mislabelling of people, could lead to disaster.

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Post by JohnBooty »

amerkhalid wrote: post #57
pavel_lishin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're underplaying non-financial incentives. I would rather have a job that pays $X but offers flexible work hours and vacation time that allows me to be a better parent, than a job that pays $1.5X but won't let me take a day or afternoon off to (e.g.) take my kid to the doctor, etc. Granted, that probably applies more to WFH desk jobs than front-line nurses.

Is there a number that will let you sacrifice your family life but also give you enough money to provide really good life for them? I am not saying it can make up for missing parents from ones life but I have seen kids who grew up with workaholic parents and are thankful for them. They had Better schools, professional nannies and tutors, and now they don’t have to work as hard.

What a good, tough question.

I'd suspect that it's less of an absolute "magic number" and more like a ratio compared to the alternative. Like a 2X or 3X salary increase, maybe more.

If I was making $30K a year (slightly less than the national individual median income) and had kids, I'd have to strongly consider a $150K job that could open up a completely different set of opportunities for the kids. In a lot of places in America that's a leap from "borderline poor nutrition and you better hope you're smart enough to earn a full college scholarship... and try not to get shot in the meantime" to "safety, healthy food, and we're able to invest in your future."

If I was already making $125K a year that $150K wouldn't be so persuasive. Not upending my life for that.

Although, I suppose, once we start talking nannies and tutors we're probably looking at closer to $250-$500K anyway. A full-time nanny is... well, a full-time employee.

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Post by nradov »

TheFreim wrote: post #70
nradov wrote: post #59

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It's a complicated problem. Tired healthcare providers make more errors. But the majority of harmful errors happen in handing over patient care from one provider to another. Shorter shifts mean more care transitions. A patient in the ICU isn't like a truck that you can park and leave alone for 8 hours.

That's a really interesting point I'd never thought of before. Do you know of any discussions/articles on this topic? Would be interested to learn more, I always just assumed long doctor shifts was a combination of lack of workers and stinginess.

This article has pretty good data on the patient safety impacts of doctor shift length.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1900669

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Post by NohatCoder »

MattGaiser wrote: post #35
armchairhacker wrote: post #28

I've never worked as a nurse or doctor but it's hard to imagine what they go through. Every day they deal with people in serious pain, people with traumatic injuries, rude people, rude people with traumatic injuries, screaming children and babies. Apparently nurses in particular are also routinely disrespected by higher-ups, put in danger by higher-ups, and don't get paid much. In college I heard insane stories from…

I find it absurd that we allow medical staff to work 24 hour shifts. We don't let pilots do that. We don't let truckers do that.

This may vary by region, but I believe that the original idea of the 24 hour shift is that a physician is present, but only working as necessary depending on patients. A slippery slope if the hospital is generally understaffed.

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Post by JohnBooty »

nwellinghoff wrote: post #97
bigmattystyles wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An RN I know in New Orleans makes a paltry $28 / hour. Insidiously, they gave her 10k upfront for a 3 year contract. If she leaves, she has to give it back. She put it straight to her student loans so now she’s stuck there. I agree with op, we say we love our front line workers, but that’s just talk. I’m not sure but there’s not much of a union for them down there.

News flash. There is no way they can get that money back. She can walk at anytime

Can you back this up? Labor laws vary significantly by country/state.

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Post by xdennis »

dageshi wrote: post #47

All the people who hate the masks and hate the vaccines never really have any answer to this, what happens when the hospitals fill to capacity or the staff give up from exhaustion. No answers.

I think it's better to say you don't have answers than to keep being wrong:

* no human-to-human transmision

* masks don't work -> masks hurt you -> masks are mandatory

* transmitted by a pangolin -> we don't know what the intermediary was

* it's racist to say it came from a lab -> it probably came from a lab

* restrictions for a few weeks -> restrictions for months, and maybe brought back seasonally

* it will all be over when x % get vaccinated -> we never said vaccines protect from infection, just bad reactions to covid

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Post by Jtsummers »

nwellinghoff wrote: post #97
bigmattystyles wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An RN I know in New Orleans makes a paltry $28 / hour. Insidiously, they gave her 10k upfront for a 3 year contract. If she leaves, she has to give it back. She put it straight to her student loans so now she’s stuck there. I agree with op, we say we love our front line workers, but that’s just talk. I’m not sure but there’s not much of a union for them down there.

News flash. There is no way they can get that money back. She can walk at anytime

This would largely depend on the particular contract. Money can be paid conditioned on an expectation of working for a period of time. Failure to meet your end can result in having to pay it back (in full or in part).

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Post by TheFreim »

dageshi wrote: post #104
switch007 wrote: post #75

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If I had to talk a wild guess, they give answers but you don’t listen or like the response. Hospitals are designed to run near capacity. It’s reported every winter in the UK that they’re near or over capacity. And outside of winter they’re just as busy. 12 hour shifts, asking ungodly things of staff is nothing new. Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season? We have vaccines and had/have mask m…

Well I read the article and watched the video and the point is, many of the people coming into the hospitals now are unvaccinated by choice. They're quitting because the rate of admissions should be slowing and they should be getting a break after dealing with it for 12+ months, but they're not.

I think hospitals should treat people who are there because of their own fault. Smokers with lung issues, overweight people with diabetes/heart issues, etc should all be treated. I don't see how this is any different.

I understand being frustrated but dealing with people's problems causes themselves is part of the job.

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