I know someone who works in hospital / physician group admin that said doctors are straight up quitting right now unless the hospital bends to their demands to only work 3 days a week. They can't hire doctors either and they have no way to accept new patients at the moment.
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.
I think it's also shown in time. I've had jobs that paid me more than my current one, but I was paying for that by my personal time being completely abused on a regular basis, even if it's just a small thing or 3 daily it ends up feeling like you never stop working. I don't have any means of work communication on my phone now, and I've gotten one call that I said I was open to in my current role. To me, shutting my c…
Yes, I think attitude towards personal time (or more generally, work-life balance) really is a facet of culture that's important to bear in mind. I've been lucky in that regard, as my managers and coworkers have been very forgiving when it comes to (say) taking off suddenly so I can take my rabbit to the emergency vet.
I wouldn't give that flexibility up for double the pay. If I'm ever in a job where they routinely abuse off hours or disapprove of taking time off, I'll be looking intensely for something to replace it.
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#73Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...
I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021062...
Most people who fall under "health care workers" don't have a medical degree. Many, including techs and nursing assistants, don't have a bachelor's degree either. So, that population isn't really all that different from the general U.S. population in many ways.
Among physicians and medical researchers with PhDs, though, you'll find very little resistance to vaccines.
Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job
#74Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...
I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021062...
> One reason some hospital staff say they are resisting COVID-19 vaccination is because it's so new and not yet fully approved by the FDA.
> "I want to see more testing done," she says. "It took a long time to get a flu vaccine, and we made a COVID vaccine in 6 months. I want to know, before I start putting something into my body, that the testing is done."
> Many of her co-workers share her feelings, she said.
Would have been nice if the article included responses to these concerns. Plenty of shaming about how dangerous passing covid to patients can be, but I didn't see anything that actually addresses the confidence problem.
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Looks like a different hospital worked on the confidence problem with some success:
> "There was a lot of hesitancy and skepticism," says William Schaffner, MD, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious disease at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. So the infectious disease division put together a multifaceted program including Q&As, educational sessions, and one-on-one visits with employees, "from the custodians all the way up to the C-suite," he says.
Today, HHS data shows the hospital is 83% vaccinated. Schaffner thinks the true number is probably higher, about 90%. "We're very pleased with that," he says.
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#75All the people who hate the masks and hate the vaccines never really have any answer to this, what happens when the hospitals fill to capacity or the staff give up from exhaustion. No answers.
If I had to talk a wild guess, they give answers but you don’t listen or like the response.
Hospitals are designed to run near capacity. It’s reported every winter in the UK that they’re near or over capacity. And outside of winter they’re just as busy. 12 hour shifts, asking ungodly things of staff is nothing new.
Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season?
We have vaccines and had/have mask mandates, yet still staff are giving up. What’s your answer to that?
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#76I dont know how you can take CNN seriously, they've repeatedly been show to suppress real information and promote single cases to support a narrative. They've even been caught bragging about this. Regarding capacity, hospitals are designed to run at 90% capacity -- the state literally limits the number of hospitals in regions to ensure this is the case (i.e. hospitals stay profitable). ICU capacity is often at 100% a…
>Also should note, I can't help but feel this focus on Florida, Texas, Arkansas, etc is because they have banned masks and vaccine mandates. If you look at actual hospitalizations and more importantly death rates you see something different.
But this is in the past (or cumulative over the whole pandemic), the news article is talking about now.
If you look at current numbers, you can see where hospitalizations are now. See https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
FL and AR seem to be hotspots to me
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Vaccination reduces the exponential in the transmission. More hospital beds just fights a constant. Doubling healthcare capacity roughly lasts for about 3 extra days if no other measure is in place. I'm all for improving healthcare, in the US or otherwise, but you just can't fire up and destroy healthcare resources like it's your k8s cluster.
> Vaccination reduces the exponential in the transmission Which trials demonstrated this?
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#78I've never worked as a nurse or doctor but it's hard to imagine what they go through. Every day they deal with people in serious pain, people with traumatic injuries, rude people, rude people with traumatic injuries, screaming children and babies. Apparently nurses in particular are also routinely disrespected by higher-ups, put in danger by higher-ups, and don't get paid much. In college I heard insane stories from…
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.
I think you're underplaying non-financial incentives. I would rather have a job that pays $X but offers flexible work hours and vacation time that allows me to be a better parent, than a job that pays $1.5X but won't let me take a day or afternoon off to (e.g.) take my kid to the doctor, etc. Granted, that probably applies more to WFH desk jobs than front-line nurses.
An RN I know in New Orleans makes a paltry $28 / hour. Insidiously, they gave her 10k upfront for a 3 year contract. If she leaves, she has to give it back. She put it straight to her student loans so now she’s stuck there. I agree with op, we say we love our front line workers, but that’s just talk. I’m not sure but there’s not much of a union for them down there.
Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.
I think you're underplaying non-financial incentives. I would rather have a job that pays $X but offers flexible work hours and vacation time that allows me to be a better parent, than a job that pays $1.5X but won't let me take a day or afternoon off to (e.g.) take my kid to the doctor, etc. Granted, that probably applies more to WFH desk jobs than front-line nurses.
The disgruntled nurses I know don't want more money anywhere near as much as they want things like lunch and bathroom breaks.
Money can't buy happiness, but not being able to take care of your basic bodily needs can absolutely buy unhappiness.