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Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by skeeter2020 »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #33
pavel_lishin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're underplaying non-financial incentives. I would rather have a job that pays $X but offers flexible work hours and vacation time that allows me to be a better parent, than a job that pays $1.5X but won't let me take a day or afternoon off to (e.g.) take my kid to the doctor, etc. Granted, that probably applies more to WFH desk jobs than front-line nurses.

There's probably some floor for X below which 1.5x is more valuable than the non-monetary incentives

There is a well-studied phenomena where money is a very strong motivator until a individual-specific level, than quickly tapers off in perceived value. The challenge is the floor $ value is different for everyone and changes over time and circumstances.

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Post by 8ytecoder »

goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

The rate for traveling nurses is indeed ridiculously high as compared to full-time on the ground nurses working their butt off.

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Post by Dumblydorr »

citilife wrote: post #27

I dont know how you can take CNN seriously, they've repeatedly been show to suppress real information and promote single cases to support a narrative. They've even been caught bragging about this. Regarding capacity, hospitals are designed to run at 90% capacity -- the state literally limits the number of hospitals in regions to ensure this is the case (i.e. hospitals stay profitable). ICU capacity is often at 100% a…

I'd say CNN is fine here, the narrative of overworked healthcare workers is common throughout NPR, NYT, etc. Wouldn't you be fed up if you got no extra monetary comp for putting your life on the line early-on while others stayed home with generous unemployment?

Anyway, the link you posted shows NY, NJ, MA, and RI had the worst deaths per 100k. We already knew they got hit hard with the more fatal variant early on, when we didn't know about dexamethasone or turning patients on their front side, nevermind using vaccines to greatly halt severe cases. Furthermore, these are dense and urbanized areas, demographically more susceptible. So your call to check this site isn't that helpful in the current fourth delta wave.

Now we're seeing 98% of deaths in the unvaccinated, according to NPRs recent article. This is a fourth wave, and it is categorically different than the other three because it's mostly hitting the unvaccinated. This is obviously a self-induced injury that our culture has inflicted.

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Post by AlwaysRock »

AlexandrB wrote: post #8

Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...

Yeah the fact that companies spend money (lots of money) on advertising dollars instead of handing that money to the workers they supposedly support in hazard pay is wild.

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Post by newsclues »

MattGaiser wrote: post #35
armchairhacker wrote: post #28

I've never worked as a nurse or doctor but it's hard to imagine what they go through. Every day they deal with people in serious pain, people with traumatic injuries, rude people, rude people with traumatic injuries, screaming children and babies. Apparently nurses in particular are also routinely disrespected by higher-ups, put in danger by higher-ups, and don't get paid much. In college I heard insane stories from…

I find it absurd that we allow medical staff to work 24 hour shifts. We don't let pilots do that. We don't let truckers do that.

Century old standard set by drug addicted doctor, continues to this day despite the evidence proving it foolish and dangerous.

Funny tradition that refuses to die.

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Post by magwa101 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #8

Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...

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Post by paganel »

jwcrux wrote: post #12
goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

> - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. In addition to this, I’ve also heard anecdotally that many of the unvaccinated (by choice) patients have animosity towards the healthcare workers themselves because the patients see this virus as politicized. Overall I can imagine that it’s resulted in a more-hostile-than-average working environment which is bound to be stressful.

> patients see this virus as politicized

Unfortunately they are correct on this, this pandemic has been heavily politicized in the States, which imo was a very wrong thing to do. They tried the same thing in my country (Eastern-Europe), with a political party blasting their logos on “vaccine information” tents installed on the sidewalks but fortunately it hasn’t caught on that well.

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Post by TheFreim »

nradov wrote: post #59
MattGaiser wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it absurd that we allow medical staff to work 24 hour shifts. We don't let pilots do that. We don't let truckers do that.

It's a complicated problem. Tired healthcare providers make more errors. But the majority of harmful errors happen in handing over patient care from one provider to another. Shorter shifts mean more care transitions. A patient in the ICU isn't like a truck that you can park and leave alone for 8 hours.

That's a really interesting point I'd never thought of before. Do you know of any discussions/articles on this topic? Would be interested to learn more, I always just assumed long doctor shifts was a combination of lack of workers and stinginess.
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