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Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by brightball »

MattGaiser wrote: post #15
AlexandrB wrote: post #8

Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...

If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.

For what it's worth, in insurance controlled businesses that's easier said than done. I'm not dismissing your point, just saying that there are a lot of complexities.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by fumar »

rangoon626 wrote: post #44
linuxftw wrote: post #14

All the lockdowns started because we didn't want to overwhelm the hospital system. In the US, the hospital system, at least the ERs were already running on fumes. Our politicians have decided it's better to play world police and kill people overseas than invest in community hospitals. All the billions handed out to the vaccine companies and the propaganda machines, but no investment in increasing hospital capacity. T…

Ahh, I see we have one with some critical thinking facilities left! Hurry up HN, downvote this guy!!!! Sadly most don’t want to consider it and just parrot what they’ve been programmed to by the television. The worse part is they think they are righteous or whatever. So delusional.

What about the parent's statement provides critical thinking? Would you invest billions in building out ER facilities now? I am curious what is the less-wrong solution to help citizens. Is to increase care for the sick or decrease the likelihood of sickness?

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Post by DamnYuppie »

planet-and-halo wrote: post #48
MattGaiser wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.

This is very reductive and I assume means you've never worked somewhere with an actually decent culture. I understand your cynicism: there are indeed a lot of bullshitters out there. But there are some good places to work here and there, places where the bosses listen and respect the humanity and autonomy of the people around them. Frequently this occurs at a local level rather than across an entire company, but it d…

I have worked for places with amazing culture and benefits. I still left and went somewhere else for a 50% pay increase. At the end of the day I look at the extra amount I am saving and what it does to my retirement account. The place I left to was by no means horrible but was not at the same level in terms of culture/vacation.

Also I did end up returning to that company after 4 years and was able to get an even bigger raise upon my return. As always the best way to increase your pay is by leaving, so sad to be honest.

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Post by yobbo »

The Federal reserve has been purchasing (among other things) mortgage backed securities to about $40 billion per month since July 2020 [0].

That would be $160.000 USD per nurse in the USA in one year. Total asset purchases count in tens of thousands per US citizen, and this is plainly visible in asset prices. If it was a priority, subsidizing nurses and "front-line workers" would be a non-issue.

(The "housing market" is more a plan economy and "hope to god the wealth effect/trickle down finally works this time".)

[0] Google.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by amerkhalid »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #26
MattGaiser wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.

I think you're underplaying non-financial incentives. I would rather have a job that pays $X but offers flexible work hours and vacation time that allows me to be a better parent, than a job that pays $1.5X but won't let me take a day or afternoon off to (e.g.) take my kid to the doctor, etc. Granted, that probably applies more to WFH desk jobs than front-line nurses.

Is there a number that will let you sacrifice your family life but also give you enough money to provide really good life for them? I am not saying it can make up for missing parents from ones life but I have seen kids who grew up with workaholic parents and are thankful for them. They had Better schools, professional nannies and tutors, and now they don’t have to work as hard.

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Post by mindslight »

_brnu wrote: post #45
AlexandrB wrote: post #8

Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...

I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021062...

Indeed. Social media is a hell of a drug.

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Post by nradov »

MattGaiser wrote: post #35
armchairhacker wrote: post #28

I've never worked as a nurse or doctor but it's hard to imagine what they go through. Every day they deal with people in serious pain, people with traumatic injuries, rude people, rude people with traumatic injuries, screaming children and babies. Apparently nurses in particular are also routinely disrespected by higher-ups, put in danger by higher-ups, and don't get paid much. In college I heard insane stories from…

I find it absurd that we allow medical staff to work 24 hour shifts. We don't let pilots do that. We don't let truckers do that.

It's a complicated problem. Tired healthcare providers make more errors. But the majority of harmful errors happen in handing over patient care from one provider to another. Shorter shifts mean more care transitions. A patient in the ICU isn't like a truck that you can park and leave alone for 8 hours.

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Post by danuker »

tdfx wrote: post #24
goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

You know you're getting a bad deal when politicians start calling your profession "heroes".

Just like having "Democratic" or "People's"/"Popular" in its official name makes a country less democratic.
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