NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

Post by pb7 » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 2:07 PM UTC

huntermeyer wrote: post #725

tehwebguy wrote: post #384

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> I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies You still can, with limited exceptions: * Kids need to be vaccinated against ~9 ailments before they attend school (seems mandatory but homeschool is an option in every state) * Adults need to be vaccinated against one before they patronize indoor restaurants, entertainment venues and gyms (completely optional activities and only in the den…

The vaccines kids have to get have a very high (near certainty) probability of preventing them from contracting the particular illness. The covid vaccines do not. People are still getting covid after being vaccinated. This is happening a lot.

Post by citilife » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

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alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

> You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? As someone who is vaccinated, I'm frankly tired of wearing masks, and I don't feel I should have to wear one to protect someone else who is refusing a vaccine.

Post by lp0_on_fire » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

yibg wrote: post #892

Given the current attitudes towards vaccines and individual rights, it's doubtful we'll be able to have another achievement like the elimination of smallpox and polio. What happened in the last few decades? Increased mistrust of government? Shift in the views of individualism? Or is my assessment wrong and if something like smallpox popped up today we'd be able to work together to eradicate it?

Post by rajin444 » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 2:40 PM UTC

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> The goal is to avoid overloading the hospital system If that's the goal we need to decide what things are ok to go to the hospital for and what aren't. A lot of hospital visits could be prevented if we took the obesity epidemic seriously - I imagine the CFR of covid would be way down if America was not so obese. And if we're ok with mandating vaccines, we should definitely be ok with mandating a healthy bodyfat %.…

You're missing the key distinction which is that obesity is primarily self-destruction but the virus is largely a negative externality (passing it to others, giving evolution a chance to evolve another strain). If someone has the virus and coughs in my face, that's no better than punching me in the face, which is illegal for good reason. If they eat themselves to death instead, it's no skin off my back (aside from ta…

Post by ashtonkem » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 3:39 PM UTC

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #962

ashtonkem wrote: post #947

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> I might get one dose of the vaccine, just so I can not be part of either side of this crazy debate. What a silly way to make health decisions.

It's obvious sarcasm.