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Re: Airyx OS

#101

Post by Trufa »

gouggoug wrote: post #64
shapefrog wrote: post #59

This reminds me of vegan bacon. If you dont want to eat meat, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of eating meat? If you dont want to use macOS, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of using macOS?

You can have the desire to not eat meat, yet, love the taste, texture and sensation of it. These things aren't incompatible.

I know it's kind of offtopic, but having gone vegetarian around 2 years ago, it's amazing how many times I heard this argument presented in the way you SHOULD NOT want to replicate meat, you can't call that a burger if it doesn't have meat, I'm not one to get offended but I find it so weird.

To this first one I have 2 points, 1. don't tell me what I want and don't want to do and 2. don't tell me what I want and don't want to do. For the second point, when did you become a burger defender.

Before being vegetarian I've always heard how annoying are vegans trying to convince you bla bla bla, while I know it's circumstantial, I've almost never had that experience, but when I stopped eating meat, I've had dozens of people tell me I'm wrong, doing harm, it's stupid, pointless and that I should reconsider my personal dietary choices.

Re: Airyx OS

#102

Post by otabdeveloper4 »

suction wrote: post #92

Not to diminish the effort, but I think replicating the look and design (as in how things work) of MacOS (or Windows 10) is a pitfall that very few alternative OS developers manage to avoid. It's just a bad idea. They'll never get even close, and those screenshots on Imgur prove it. What I'd prefer is if these definitely brilliant developers would "own" the Unix history more, and build upon Motif. Put the effort do c…

Gnome is good enough.

Re: Airyx OS

#103

Post by chakkepolja »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #102
suction wrote: post #92

Not to diminish the effort, but I think replicating the look and design (as in how things work) of MacOS (or Windows 10) is a pitfall that very few alternative OS developers manage to avoid. It's just a bad idea. They'll never get even close, and those screenshots on Imgur prove it. What I'd prefer is if these definitely brilliant developers would "own" the Unix history more, and build upon Motif. Put the effort do c…

Gnome is good enough.

This but unironically for KDE. (UI wise)

Re: Airyx OS

#104

Post by tpoacher »

Presumably Apple is waiting for this project to invest a huge amount of time and resources and be almost ready to release before suing the hell out of them, in order to discourage similar efforts?

Re: Airyx OS

#105

Post by dmitriid »

suction wrote: post #97
dmitriid wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's just a bad idea. They'll never get even close, and those screenshots on Imgur prove it. It's a great idea. Because developing your own look and feel for the entire OS is an enormous task. This way you at least have a foundation to build upon.

As I'm saying, to choose MacOS or Windows 10 as your foundation is a dead-end. Many have tried before. If you read my comment, you'd have read that I propose to look to the history of Unix as the foundation.

Why is it a dead-end and building on the outdated Motif isn't?

Re: Airyx OS

#106

Post by tgv »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #84

I think macOS has too large of an API nowadays to try to copy. There are a whole smorgasbord of frameworks. This can only really help with the simplest of Cocoa applications. This might be OK though, because I think what a hacker interested in this is really interested is the parts of macOS that are common with NextSTEP. Which are all the parts 20+ years old!

I checked a few files, and a lot of the foundation library have 2007 until 2009 copyright notices. Another random check, CALayer.h and CATransform3D from the Quartz framework, shows terribly limited functionality in comparison to the files on macOS 11.5. The latter comes with 198 frameworks, Airyx has 16, 2 of which don't exist (anymore). Catching up seems an impossible task.

Re: Airyx OS

#108

Post by GekkePrutser »

One thing I wonder is why they're using FreeBSD as a base and not Darwin. I use FreeBSD myself and it's great, but if you're really going for Mac compatibility I would use the same kernel considering it's FOSS.

Re: Airyx OS

#109

Post by mhd »

suction wrote: post #92

Not to diminish the effort, but I think replicating the look and design (as in how things work) of MacOS (or Windows 10) is a pitfall that very few alternative OS developers manage to avoid. It's just a bad idea. They'll never get even close, and those screenshots on Imgur prove it. What I'd prefer is if these definitely brilliant developers would "own" the Unix history more, and build upon Motif. Put the effort do c…

That's an interesting take. It would've been interesting if Motif were open sourced a few years earlier, as there would've been fewer wars about the correct Linux X11 toolkit (amongst the commercial Unices, this was just settled with Motif/CDE being the winner).

The first Gimp version even was written in Motif, before its developers started Gtk (and bikeshedding Xt)...

(I wouldn't start with a 2021 vision, as that seems to imply bad versions of over-stylized web and app interfaces, being almost as bad as the worst of the skeuomorphic UIs)

So, looking at CDE, what was specifically "Motif" about it? I don't think the file management was as special and intrinsic as the spatial Finder, Win95s tree+file view explorer or even NextStep's Miller columns.

Prominent virtual desktop usage?

More "active" use of color?

I think the dtksh part could be something interesting. Bridging the gap between regular Unix shell scripting (still more common than VBS or Rexx usage on other platforms) and UI creation.

Now, I don't think this is the way of the future, but it's not like anything will come out of the Mac clones (Etoile, hello, Airyx) either, and this seems like a more original thought experiment.

Re: Airyx OS

#110

Post by muterad_murilax »

suction wrote: post #92

Not to diminish the effort, but I think replicating the look and design (as in how things work) of MacOS (or Windows 10) is a pitfall that very few alternative OS developers manage to avoid. It's just a bad idea. They'll never get even close, and those screenshots on Imgur prove it. What I'd prefer is if these definitely brilliant developers would "own" the Unix history more, and build upon Motif. Put the effort do c…

And while they are at it, they really oughta think about how that Unixy 3D file manager from Jurassic Park would look if invented in 2021!
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