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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by damontal »

bern4444 wrote: post #62
wdhilliard wrote: post #13

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My problem is that the whole thing is based on old data and a false premise that life is safe when vaccinated people are only around vaccinated people. We know this is slightly more true than among the unvaccinated, but only by about 40%. This is real data. Fears of privacy implications: Tracking data/metadata, How data is recorded, How long are records kept. What other data is linked to vaccination checks? Fears of…

Vaccination in NY/NYC is easily proven. Picture of your vaccine card is sufficent and there's also the excelsior pass which is a QR code. Super easy to get from a city/state website after entering a few details (think name, when your last vaccine was, which vaccine etc). This can be downloaded as an image, into apple wallet etc. For those who chose not to, they can stick to carrying around their vaccine card (just as…

>Vaccination in NY/NYC is easily proven. Picture of your vaccine card is sufficent

That’s easily faked. To prove vaccination, a picture of a card is not sufficient. If that’s all that’s required as proof then this won’t accomplish anything meaningful.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

timr wrote: post #129
alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

> don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate

People who are still opposed to getting vaccinated, versus simply apathetic, are probably never going to be convinced. These measures should encourage the apathetic. For the others, it's cutting losses and hoping it encourages quarantine--whether that be staying home or moving. (Being unvaccinated upstate or in Tennessee is less problematic than being unvaccinated in Manhattan.)

If we take the promise of mRNA platforms at face value, we are heading into an increasingly disease-free future with a strong minority self selecting affliction. I imagine we'll see more debates of this form if e.g. there is a population that is inoculated against Covid, most STDs, the flu, et cetera; and one that is not.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by timr »

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #522
timr wrote: post #438

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Thank you for providing an excellent example of the fear-based reasoning surrounding "cases". I understand that you are scared, but is incorrect to imply that my opinion comes from a lack of understanding of what you're talking about. > Why is this so hard for people to understand? I understand your argument, but I disagree with you, based on a long education in this area, a deep understanding of the data, and person…

One more example: itch in one's throat and nasty suffocating cough that does not stop for an hour. Surprisingly, this might be caused by reflux (without the accompanying stomachache). I imagine it would be pretty easy for someone not used to dealing with gastritis on a regular basis to attribute such a symptom to "COVID".

Yeah, all of these "long covid" symptoms overlap substantially with other, common things, or have otherwise been defined so liberally by these terrible, self-reported "studies" that anyone with a normal human immune system and a head cold would qualify. Just consider the three most common complaints (by far):

Cough & Shortness of breath: allergies, asthma, typical recovery process from any cold or flu

Fatigue: depression, anxiety, insomnia, recovery from most illness

Brain fog (whatever that is): depression, anxiety, insomnia, recovery from illness...

It's not that "long covid" isn't real...it's just that the scientific data for it at present are so vague that you can "have" it by being a normal person.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by [deleted] »

ok123456 wrote: post #416
tajustice wrote: post #385

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ID laws are inherently racist, and have been leveraged by white supremacists for decades to keep POC from enjoying the rights and privileges they're guaranteed under the law. Businesses requiring vaccination IDs are de facto discriminating against POCs and other minorities because POCs and minorities are less likely to have ID, and less likely to be vaccinated.

The coronavirus doesn't discriminate. Edit: Can't reply to the child since it's dead, but for the record, I got my covid vaccinations at an AME church (i.e., black) back in April. Edit 2: >Anecdotal evidence is always useful for bigotry. I went to an AME church (i.e., black) back in April and the church was denied vaccines. No you didn't. > The statistical facts are clear: POCs are much less likely to have access to…

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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by dalmo3 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #332
asdff wrote: post #161

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We could honestly probably save billions in healthcare costs if we mandated a yearly physical and cancer screening. It would lift our economy catching these costly diseases and health issues while they are still easily and cheaply treatable.

You'd also save billions, if you forced diets on people, forbid cigarettes, stopped selling sugar water with colorings, forbid driving, forbid skiing, hiking, climbing, and all other dangerous sports, keep social isolation every flu season, forbid casual sex (stds, unwanted children),... you'd just somehow have to stop suicides in the end.

Why? Suicides would save you even more. Corpse removal would get cheaper at scale.

All that money would be gone towards border control, though.

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Post by BitwiseFool »

desine wrote: post #388
throwitaway1235 wrote: post #308

Does anyone believe this will be expanded to grocery stores, pharmacies and other basic services come fall? My job is already close to pushing mandatory vaccination and I'm trying to decide whether I should pack up my things and leave? 30 year resident and heartbroken.

Getting ready to leave my blue state home. Born and raised in California, but the autoritarian writing is on the wall, and I'm making my preparations.

Sounds like you're going to vote accordingly when you do, I hope.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by [deleted] »

ok123456 wrote: post #416
tajustice wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ID laws are inherently racist, and have been leveraged by white supremacists for decades to keep POC from enjoying the rights and privileges they're guaranteed under the law. Businesses requiring vaccination IDs are de facto discriminating against POCs and other minorities because POCs and minorities are less likely to have ID, and less likely to be vaccinated.

The coronavirus doesn't discriminate. Edit: Can't reply to the child since it's dead, but for the record, I got my covid vaccinations at an AME church (i.e., black) back in April. Edit 2: >Anecdotal evidence is always useful for bigotry. I went to an AME church (i.e., black) back in April and the church was denied vaccines. No you didn't. > The statistical facts are clear: POCs are much less likely to have access to…

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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by pengaru »

heavyset_go wrote: post #398
pengaru wrote: post #368

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Except not wearing a seatbelt harms noone but yourself, and frankly it's up to the individual if they value surviving a car accident. I've had police tell me the rationalization for seatbelt laws is by minimizing ambulance use in crashes, it saves the lives of others and reduces traffic congestion. This is the reasoning put forth for making not wearing a seatbelt a ticketable offense. Last I checked emergency service…

Seatbelts prevent you from becoming a several hundred pound projectile that can injure or kill other people in and outside of your car.

The most likely of situations... we somehow ignore when it comes to allowing motorcycles to operate on the same public roads.
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