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Microsoft pauses free Windows 365 cloud PC trials after ‘significant demand’

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Re: Microsoft pauses free Windows 365 cloud PC trials after ‘significant demand’

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With fibber internet increasingly becoming standard around the world and 5G it makes perfect sense people will use their computer as a terminal for a more powerful computer in the cloud than buying powerful computers

The economics still don't work out. Buying a more powerful computer is still probably cheaper after just a year or two.

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When you use a lot of contractor developers, being able to provision out devices for temporary work is powerful. A lot of time is spent provisioning machines, white listing ips, setting up VPNs, and getting the contractor to the point where they can work. In some cases I've seen it take 2 or 3 weeks to get a contractor up and running on a 6 month contract. Being able to give them credentials to a machine that's ready…

I absolutely hate using VMs over VPNs, any slight interruption in my fragile home Wi-Fi (or whatever the hell the VPN is doing) causes my whole dev environment to freeze. It's a security/usability trade off for me.

I had Ethernet installed in all rooms at home. For some 800 euros (5 Ethernet outlets including the router) you get sub millisecond latencies to your router and your computer works wonders again.

Installing an Ethernet LAN network is the best investment for anyone who works from home.

Wi-fi really sucks in urban areas and soon even in rural areas because of the IoT crap.

Re: Microsoft pauses free Windows 365 cloud PC trials after ‘significant demand’

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> including one at the top end that includes eight vCPUs, 32GB of RAM, and 512GB of storage for $158 per month Why is it so popular? I can't understand the economics of it. Can someone explain? Why would I pay ~$10k over 5 years for something that's similar to the laptop I'm typing on which costed me $700 used? I know it's for businesses, but even then, does it come with tooling or something that makes management eas…

After a recent Windows 10(Pro) update it tries to guide you through setting up a bunch of stuff and pretty much signs you up for the 365 trial. My guess is that's what happened.

Re: Microsoft pauses free Windows 365 cloud PC trials after ‘significant demand’

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Windows 365's lowest tier, with only 2GB of RAM, works out to $288/year. If you're on a Mac, you can grab the Pro version of Parallels for $99USD/year and run it locally, and spin up an instance of any version of Windows you need, along with guaranteed uptime and availability. I really don't see Windows 365 as a viable option for most developers, when there are so many better -- and cheaper -- alternatives readily av…

Or you can just use windows iso as is without activation on a VM and call it a day. Then, if you are adventurous, fire up that kms38 and you are off to the races

Are you advocating saving a few hundred dollars by avoiding license compliance in a professional setting?

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> Is data security so important that some companies are willing to pay 5x hardware costs and 2x maintenance costs for it? Yes. Also, maintaining a fleet of hardware is a resource suck. Being able to provision everyone with something like this lets them use their personal hardware without much compromised in the way of security. (It should also make onboarding much smoother.)

> lets them use their personal hardware without much compromised in the way of security How do they protect against an attacker compromising this client, waiting until the employee is asleep or away for a few minutes, then using the employee's session to compromise the remote machine? Even if session establishment requires 2FA, the attacker could keep the session alive after the user attempts to close it.

For a targeted attack with a hacker remotely or physically controlling the client, I agree.

However I think an automated attack would be difficult, especially if the VD sent its data to the client as a video stream, and only recieved keyboard and mouse inputs. Now maybe there's some fancy computer vision that could handle this (and all without the employee noticing)...

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"No one told us about a new hire... when do they start... what do you mean a week ago?" is a big delay in new employee onboarding

“We don’t give admin right to install software” (except they do, you just need to ask the right person - there is always someone who will)

If you don't have admin on your workstation, that's a huge red flag.

Re: Microsoft pauses free Windows 365 cloud PC trials after ‘significant demand’

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> including one at the top end that includes eight vCPUs, 32GB of RAM, and 512GB of storage for $158 per month Why is it so popular? I can't understand the economics of it. Can someone explain? Why would I pay ~$10k over 5 years for something that's similar to the laptop I'm typing on which costed me $700 used? I know it's for businesses, but even then, does it come with tooling or something that makes management eas…

Perhaps business value the tax benefits of to moving computer hardware costs from capex to opex.

Re: Microsoft pauses free Windows 365 cloud PC trials after ‘significant demand’

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With fibber internet increasingly becoming standard around the world and 5G it makes perfect sense people will use their computer as a terminal for a more powerful computer in the cloud than buying powerful computers

That would make sense indeed, if the prices for 365 weren't so damm high.

And if we had a computer that could be a dumb terminal - it would cost 10-20 dollars, have wifi, ethernet, an HDMI connection and support a mouse and a keyboard.

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Does Parallels still show ads to paying customers? I’d pay extra for Windows 365 to avoid ads.

Or you could use VirtualBox for free.

VirtualBox on the Mac is extremely slow. Also Parallels has much better integration with the Mac host (automatic shared folders, syncing program shortcuts between the host and the guest, etc.).

Re: Microsoft pauses free Windows 365 cloud PC trials after ‘significant demand’

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Don't you have security policies to make you must go through IT?

When it comes to policies from frustrating departments, people tend to find workarounds, especially if there is no easy way to enforce the rules. At a prior company, one of the only reasons we adopted anything SaaS was that IT didn't have to know it existed.

Ohhh man/woman.

I'm a security person. I often work with my customers' central IT. I'm not going to have an opinion or judge you, but consider:

You're giving people nightmares. I've seen it go very wrong (front-page news wrong). And then the threads commenting on "how incompetent can they be, blabla". I've worked with the people stressed, sad and disappointed that they got pwned because of shadow IT. It's a ticking time bomb.

The cloud wont save you from shadow IT's insecurities. In two years, when you switch to another SAAS provider, or the domain changes, and the enterprise app is left in your azure subscription, and the baddies notice... Then you'll call me or someone like me, and I can earn my paycheck :)

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