Absolutely wild how many of you goobers defend this heinous charlatan and others like him. But what do I know? I'm not a temporarily inconvenienced billionaire!
reeeeeeeeeeeeeetards
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#252Did something actually happen or is this just clickbait to sell a book?
Only beefed up anecdotes. Author just wants to get clicks and sell his book.
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#253Absolutely wild how many of you goobers defend this heinous charlatan and others like him. But what do I know? I'm not a temporarily inconvenienced billionaire!
reeeeeeeeeeeeeetards
> reeeeeeeeeeeeeetards
You should read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sandy Munro, by now, is a Tesla shill who can't be taken seriously. I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. Examples: He stated that the Ford Mach-E battery case is a structural component. He's also touted injection molding as a means of achieving some of the same things that Tesla is doing with aluminum casting. He praised some aspects of the ID4 moto…
> I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. What I've seen from him, he always shows a clear bias towards Tesla. > Can you give me an example of something Sandy Munro has said which IS NOT something good about a Tesla product, where he has clearly sacrificed engineering concerns? When I say he's a Tesla shill, it's specifically because of the positive th…
When I say he's a Tesla shill, it's specifically because of the positive things he says about Tesla.
Right. Checks out. There's certainly solid engineering logic and reasoning there!
So, if that's your best example, are you tacitly admitting you can't think of any mechanical engineering examples?
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> I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. What I've seen from him, he always shows a clear bias towards Tesla. > Can you give me an example of something Sandy Munro has said which IS NOT something good about a Tesla product, where he has clearly sacrificed engineering concerns? When I say he's a Tesla shill, it's specifically because of the positive th…
So saying positive things about a good product makes him a shill? That’s a pretty low bar you set. Does this apply to all things in your life?
Saying only positive things about a mediocre product makes him a shill.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. What I've seen from him, he always shows a clear bias towards Tesla. > Can you give me an example of something Sandy Munro has said which IS NOT something good about a Tesla product, where he has clearly sacrificed engineering concerns? When I say he's a Tesla shill, it's specifically because of the positive th…
When I say he's a Tesla shill, it's specifically because of the positive things he says about Tesla. Right. Checks out. There's certainly solid engineering logic and reasoning there! So, if that's your best example, are you tacitly admitting you can't think of any mechanical engineering examples?
It is actually my best example, as it shows very clearly how much he is willing to say untrue things in favor of Tesla. Why should only mechanical engineering examples be valid?
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Left out of your comment is the true hero of SpaceX: Gwynne Shotwell, who saved SpaceX from Musk's excesses and turned it into the highly profitable company it is today with a string of successful launches. Shotwell is the reason that SpaceX was able to install 29 Raptor engines in a single night to satisfy Musk's whims. Every launch failure that SpaceX has had in the past few years? That's Musk, gallivanting in at t…
I don't think you can separate the two. It's like separating Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak and giving 100% of the credit to Woz or Jobs. Certainly Shotwell has made the business and operational side of the Space Falcon business smooth and helped win commercial/government contracts. But do you really think it is shotwell who is aggressively asking people to throw away designs, delete components, and iterate quickly by…
No, you're literally just giving Musk credit for things he didn't do but which Shotwell did. If Shotwell were a man, nobody would put up with Musk stealing the credit for her work.
The reason that they did install 29 Raptor engines overnight was because Musk was a whiny little s$$$ and forced the employees to do it on threat of termination. But the reason they could do it was because Shotwell had the company running smoothly enough (and the labor force happy enough with her leadership) to make it possible.
And it's borderline fraud to give Musk engineering credit for the "5 stages of engineering," since Musk had literally nothing to do with any of that except take credit for the work of his engineering staff. Musk came up with "first principles" but first principles count for literally nothing in engineering. The hard part is the execution, not the base idea. See, e.g., Boring Co, HyperLoop, DC vs Marvel, etc.)
Musk didn't care about blowing up 29 raptors on a test because it's not his money that he's playing with; it's the taxpayer that's funding his whims of fancy. But Blue Origin is heavily funded by Bezos out of pocket, and since it's his own money he's more cautious about how it's used. That being said: once again this 29 raptor installation owes everything to Shotwell making it possible: having 29 raptors/parts thereof available, having an installation site available, having staff available to sacrifice their night for no good reason, and most importantly, having an inkling ahead of time that her idiot boss would demand something stupid like this and having everything ready to go when King Musk waltzed in with his latest silly demand.
Unlike you, I know a number of people at SpaceX and those involved with Starbase. Shotwell is heavily involved, but unlike Musk, she's an actual leader and trusts her employees. She doesn't micromanage so she doesn't need to be onsite constantly breathing down her employees' necks.
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He's OCD. If he could find somebody else willing to consistently put in 100 hour weeks and drive the ship the way Elon wants , I think he'd let go of the reigns.
There is no evidence that putting in long hours translates to increased productivity or success. But plenty of evidence that it has a lot of negative consequences.
Elon's MO is that his supervision and continual input is vital to the success of his companies as they try to execute on his vision. His companies may only exist because of his sheer force of will and his willingness to sacrifice health, wealth and relationships to succeed.
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#260I guess there are some true facts in this book but I am overall very skeptic of the picture the author is trying to paint or the conclusions he is drawing from those facts. For example, the book says Elon wanted to be Apple's CEO post Tesla acquisition on a phone call. But Elon said it many times over the years that he rather spend his time on engineering and design over management. Edit: Also Tim Cook mentioned in a…
The waterfall of misinformation: 1) Author fabricates "facts" for his book 2) Tabloids copy those "facts" and add filler to fabricate outrage 3) Twitter outrage specialists pick these "facts" up and retweet 4) Other people form their opinion based on 1), 2), 3)
what role do you play in this?