Coming soon: America’s own social credit system • Hacker News Board

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by throwaway894345 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 5:26 PM UTC

ladyattis wrote: post #46

dolni wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should I take this comment to mean that you are not against the sort of blackballing that happens to people with criminal histories? I mean, it's just social ostracism, right? Why would we have a problem with people not being able to find a place to live or work?

You should read my other comments. But for clarity sake, no I don't support blackballing, at-will employment, and the like. I just want to point out that supposed cancelling hasn't done a blessed thing in the instances that celebrities who say actual bad things publicly. The closest thing I can recall that cancelling has done anything is what happened to James Gunn and Kathy Griffin for their supposed misdeeds (cring…

What about the dude who was fired for Tweeting about the efficacy of nonviolent protests or the reporter who was pushed out because he interviewed a black person with opinions that his employer/colleagues didn’t feel black people should have? Or the professor suspended for using a Chinese word that sounds vaguely like an English slur? Or the utility company employee who was canned for accidentally making the “ok” gesture? Or the kid who was accosted by a group of black nationalists and subjected to defamation by every media outlet in the country to the effect that he received death threats and threats of violence even from celebrities? These are literally just examples off the top of my head, but I can go on.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by dolni » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

The_Stone wrote: post #58

dolni wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just want to point out that supposed cancelling hasn't done a blessed thing in the instances that celebrities who say actual bad things publicly. Huh?! Gina Carano was fired by Disney earlier this year because she had the audacity to draw a parallel between today's political vitriol and the Holocaust [1]. This happened precisely because of the power of the current outrage mob. If you don't see the effects that th…

Gina Carano was fired because it was a gross and offensive parallel to make that republicans of today are treated anywhere nearly as wrongly as Jewish people in Nazi Germany. There is a nuance. This also says nothing of Gina Carano's history of transphobic comments, which Disney didn't care about because they didn't make as much press but still says much about her character.

> Gina Carano was fired because it was a gross and offensive parallel to make

So you think it is OK for employers to enforce conformity of thought? I suppose that _your_ thoughts will never become problematic, right?

> republicans of today are treated anywhere nearly as wrongly as Jewish people in Nazi Germany.

The point isn't that they are. The point is that _this is where it starts_. It's a warning about where we're going if political vitriol continues. Perhaps review the ten stages of genocide [1] and see if you can draw any parallels.

> This also says nothing of Gina Carano's history of transphobic comments

What specific things did she say that were "transphobic"?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by CodeGlitch » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

ShriekBob wrote: post #57

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LGBT has become a religion now honestly when the fact that celebrities come out it's marked on their wikipedia page as though it's somehow worth mentioning. The fact that "coming out" has blown up beyond what it was has absolutely turned it into cult status since people can be fired or threatened to be fired for "assuming gender" and that nonsense. The simple fact that you can't dislike some of these people, especial…

You can choose to be Christian or not, you can not choose to be gay or not, and someone asking you to use their preferred pronouns is not nonsense, and getting fired for showing rampant disrespect towards your peers based on them simply existing seems fair to me. What happened to hckrnews in the last few years, I'm seeing more and more of this kind of BS.

> Lunagender, also called monagender, monegender, or selenogender (all of which mean in some way "moon gender"), is a fluid gender identity that changes on a consistent, orderly cycle, reminding one of a lunar cycle.

Not nonsense eh?

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by happytoexplain » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 8:52 PM UTC

CodeGlitch wrote: post #63

ShriekBob wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can choose to be Christian or not, you can not choose to be gay or not, and someone asking you to use their preferred pronouns is not nonsense, and getting fired for showing rampant disrespect towards your peers based on them simply existing seems fair to me. What happened to hckrnews in the last few years, I'm seeing more and more of this kind of BS.

> Lunagender, also called monagender, monegender, or selenogender (all of which mean in some way "moon gender"), is a fluid gender identity that changes on a consistent, orderly cycle, reminding one of a lunar cycle. Not nonsense eh?

This is cherry-picked/extreme. Besides, it doesn't appear relevant if you intended to actually address what the parent referred to as "not nonsense" in the general sense. It's not relevant to what the GP was saying, either.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by TameAntelope » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 7:44 AM UTC

dagw wrote: post #16

TameAntelope wrote: post #3

I'm excited for accountability to catch up to the Internet, for far too long people have been able to poison the well. Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. This is a good thing, and I hope more things like this come soon.

Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. Honestly why? I've said a lot of things in my youth that I don't stand by any more. Surely there must be room for people to grow and mature.

Of course, I completely agree. I don't see how what I wrote contradicts that.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by TameAntelope » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 7:45 AM UTC

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #17

TameAntelope wrote: post #3

I'm excited for accountability to catch up to the Internet, for far too long people have been able to poison the well. Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. This is a good thing, and I hope more things like this come soon.

Why do you not use your real name to post this?

Because I'd like to advocate for a world I want to live in without pretending I already live in that world.

I don't want to hide behind anonymity, but that's how society is currently structured, and if I don't, there are still levers assholes can (and have) pull (ed) to make my life harder. If everyone were accountable, and not just me, that better world would be possible.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by TameAntelope » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 7:47 AM UTC

Grakel wrote: post #8

TameAntelope wrote: post #3

I'm excited for accountability to catch up to the Internet, for far too long people have been able to poison the well. Now, when you say something, you have to stand by it. This is a good thing, and I hope more things like this come soon.

Employers and social police be aware that TameAntelope has stated in previous comments: "I'm actually pretty terrible at learning new things." Don't expect him to learn new social rules or new skills very easily. Low social credit points here.

For what it's worth, I would and do say that professionally (I haven't been interviewed in many years), so there's generally no need to make it seem like I wouldn't want some people to know that!

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by ladyattis » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

dolni wrote: post #51

ladyattis wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should read my other comments. But for clarity sake, no I don't support blackballing, at-will employment, and the like. I just want to point out that supposed cancelling hasn't done a blessed thing in the instances that celebrities who say actual bad things publicly. The closest thing I can recall that cancelling has done anything is what happened to James Gunn and Kathy Griffin for their supposed misdeeds (cring…

> I just want to point out that supposed cancelling hasn't done a blessed thing in the instances that celebrities who say actual bad things publicly. Huh?! Gina Carano was fired by Disney earlier this year because she had the audacity to draw a parallel between today's political vitriol and the Holocaust [1]. This happened precisely because of the power of the current outrage mob. If you don't see the effects that th…

Is Gina homeless as a result of such action? She seems to be quite fine to me. I don't weep for the rich.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

ShriekBob wrote: post #57

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LGBT has become a religion now honestly when the fact that celebrities come out it's marked on their wikipedia page as though it's somehow worth mentioning. The fact that "coming out" has blown up beyond what it was has absolutely turned it into cult status since people can be fired or threatened to be fired for "assuming gender" and that nonsense. The simple fact that you can't dislike some of these people, especial…

You can choose to be Christian or not, you can not choose to be gay or not, and someone asking you to use their preferred pronouns is not nonsense, and getting fired for showing rampant disrespect towards your peers based on them simply existing seems fair to me. What happened to hckrnews in the last few years, I'm seeing more and more of this kind of BS.

You can very much self identitfy with the now uncountable amounts of genders, pronouns, and cases of mental illness misdiagnosed as LGBT nowadays. I'm not saying gay people choose whom they are attracted to. I get that and I truly believe it. But when people identify as queer, bi, asexual (even though they have sex lol) then its something you're opting into. Clear as day seeing as these people can fluctuate their feelings on a whim.

Re: Coming soon: America’s own social credit system

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

happytoexplain wrote: post #64

CodeGlitch wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lunagender, also called monagender, monegender, or selenogender (all of which mean in some way "moon gender"), is a fluid gender identity that changes on a consistent, orderly cycle, reminding one of a lunar cycle. Not nonsense eh?

This is cherry-picked/extreme. Besides, it doesn't appear relevant if you intended to actually address what the parent referred to as "not nonsense" in the general sense. It's not relevant to what the GP was saying, either.

Explain to me how bisexual is not a choice.