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Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by thinktankie » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:29 PM UTC

ompaLompa wrote: post #79

thinktankie wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source: Adrian Zenz or some other US military industrial complex sponsored think-tank like ASPI [1]. Very reliable, trust me, you can trust them. [1] https://www.aspi.org.au/sponsors

Nope but nice diversion. Clearly I triggered a filter looking for propaganda keywords. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide wikipedia is blocked in china. Please refute the 477 sources at the bottom of the page individually. The holocaust happened, the Uyghur genocide is still happening.

I’ve seen all of these sources a million times. They all, without fail, link directly or indirectly back to Adrian Zenz, ASPI, or some other Washington D.C based think tank or “NGO” like NED. They’ll also throw in the occasional victim testimony from the same handful of Uyghur “survivors” whose stories change every other time they tell it.

Just one example. Here [1], an Uyghur survivor said she “did not personally see violence” yet in her book [2], she suddenly describes witnessing everything from gang rapes to organ harvesting to torture. There are countless other examples of inconsistencies like this.

My final word on this is that if there is indeed a genocide going on, it must be the only genocide in history where the allegedly genocided population has actually gone up [3].

Anyways, believe what you will. I wrote this response mainly for the benefit of people who still remember the lies that led up to the invasion of Iraq, not for people like you whose minds are already set.

[1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-everyone-was-s...

[2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9573113/Survivor-Ch...

[3] https://original.antiwar.com/porter/2021/02/21/us-state-depa...

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by frenchyatwork » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:31 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #80

temp8964 wrote: post #22

Deep down in the reddit comments there is a statement from the university, which mentioned "The former supervisor's desire to clearly distance herself is understandable when an accusation of racism is in the air." Some other comments also mentioned a "racist cartoon". It is also mentioned in the report: https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot... > The writer accuses Gerber of a «racist attack on…

If I'm an employee at a company and post something like that on Twitter, nobody should be surprised if I suddenly find myself in the unemployment line because (perhaps unbeknownst to me) my company was right in the middle of closing a big deal with a Chinese company. Not saying it's morally correct, but those are the dynamics in play here. A university is an organization, and while the incentives and financial struct…

As long as it's not clearly hateful, universities typically allow greater freedom of expression than you normally get in a commercial organization, because the ability to criticize the zeitgeist and common sense belief is critical to the development of the arts & sciences.

Of course, there is typically a tension between allowing academic freedom and pleasing whoever holds the purse strings. University administrations often have to very carefully balance between upsetting their income sources and devolving into a propaganda machine.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by pphysch » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:31 PM UTC

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #43

Talk about the Streisand Effect... [0] There were less than 10 people following or presumably reading Gerber's tweets. Now 10 million+ people will read them. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

There are literally millions of Twitter accounts posting puerile sinophobic memes/spam on Twitter on a daily basis. It's a billion-dollar industry; the USG just earmarked $1.5B specifically for anti-China propaganda [1]. Not that Gerber was getting paid for it--he's a small fish.

[1] - https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/7937...

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by bakuninsbart » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

sva_ wrote: post #70

Tomte wrote: post #46

> Als seine Freundin einige der Tweets sieht, ist sie schockiert. Sie bittet ihn am Telefon, damit aufzuhören. Nicht weil sie bei allem anderer Meinung wäre. Sondern weil sie sich vor Repressionen der chinesischen Regierung fürchtet. «Ich bin in der Schweiz, nicht in China», antwortet er. «Hier kann ich sagen, was ich will.» Translation: When his girlfriend saw some of his tweets she's aghast. She's asking him on the…

What bothers me about this whole ordeal is the fact that the Chinese gov seems to keep a watch on pretty much anyone's social media it seems. This guy supposedly had like 10 to 20 followers, and the tweet in question was only a reply. It reminds me of the time when some athlete (if my memory serves me right) expressed sympathy with HK protests, and was made to apologize to the Chinese gov. But this guy is much less k…

I would assume it was a reply to a popular comment, and it being a cartoon increases visibility for people clicking through.

Also not impossible that some paid or highly motivated people would reverse image search the picture in question and try to make problems for the people posting it.

I do also think that posting a racist cartoon is grounds for a professor to cut their ties to a PhD student. A PhD student isn't worth that much, and standing by them through accusations of racism is probably not worth the risk.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by frenchyatwork » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:36 PM UTC

spoonjim wrote: post #63

temp8964 wrote: post #22

Deep down in the reddit comments there is a statement from the university, which mentioned "The former supervisor's desire to clearly distance herself is understandable when an accusation of racism is in the air." Some other comments also mentioned a "racist cartoon". It is also mentioned in the report: https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot... > The writer accuses Gerber of a «racist attack on…

Of course the CCP wouldn’t, only the West is capable of the self-own that is modern Victim Culture.

Isn't victim culture (somewhat legitimately) a core part of the modern Chinese national spirit?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by traspler » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:39 PM UTC

I‘m a bit taken aback by the responses I read here. Honestly I have no clue how anyone can be so dismissive of his story and situation as some of the people in these comments here.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by spoonjim » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:39 PM UTC

frenchyatwork wrote: post #95

spoonjim wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course the CCP wouldn’t, only the West is capable of the self-own that is modern Victim Culture.

Isn't victim culture (somewhat legitimately) a core part of the modern Chinese national spirit? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation

Yes, but that victim status is seen as a dishonor, not something to be celebrated.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by ShroudedNight » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:42 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #90

goldenkey wrote: post #73

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Chinese mouthpiece paid US newspapers $19 mn in ads, printing: https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/chin... Please refrain from reactionary insults like calling chrissnell's comment "nonsense." It's in poor taste even if you're supported by others who don't bother to perform even cursory research.

China Daily actually paid mostly (if you actually read the FARA documents that were falsely cited above as evidence) to print copies of the China Daily for dissemination in the US. That's very clear from the documents. The advertising was a relatively minor endeavor by comparison and limited mostly to buying WaPo ads, whereas they paid a number of papers to print the China Daily. There's no evidence at all that US pa…

Was this a regular transaction? Was the price per unit notably divergent from other contracts? It's important to remember that graft often gets whitewashed in legitimate-looking transactions. That being said, $19 million USD sounds like a particularly insignificant sum for risk that would be incurred to the reputation of a single US tier 1 journalistic publication let alone multiple.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by goldenkey » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #90

goldenkey wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese mouthpiece paid US newspapers $19 mn in ads, printing: https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/chin... Please refrain from reactionary insults like calling chrissnell's comment "nonsense." It's in poor taste even if you're supported by others who don't bother to perform even cursory research.

China Daily actually paid mostly (if you actually read the FARA documents that were falsely cited above as evidence) to print copies of the China Daily for dissemination in the US. That's very clear from the documents. The advertising was a relatively minor endeavor by comparison and limited mostly to buying WaPo ads, whereas they paid a number of papers to print the China Daily. There's no evidence at all that US pa…

They paid millions for pro-china ads, the kind that look like actual articles. It's important to remember that graft often gets whitewashed in legitimate-looking transactions. The money, regardless of what it's for, is coming straight from the Chinese government. There is of course more money transfers that haven't been discovered. You don't have to be a genius to know that for every bit discovered there is a byte still covered..

China Daily (simplified Chinese: 中国日报; traditional Chinese: 中國日報; pinyin: Zhōngguó Rìbào) is an English-language daily newspaper owned by the Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by goldenkey » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 3:52 PM UTC

mastax wrote: post #87

goldenkey wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese mouthpiece paid US newspapers $19 mn in ads, printing: https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/chin... Please refrain from reactionary insults like calling chrissnell's comment "nonsense." It's in poor taste even if you're supported by others who don't bother to perform even cursory research.

Okay, China Daily paid for ads. Any evidence that "CCP paid The NY Times, LA Times, and other major papers to [...] not publish COVID lab leak pieces during 2020"?

China Daily (simplified Chinese: 中国日报; traditional Chinese: 中國日報; pinyin: Zhōngguó Rìbào) is an English-language daily newspaper owned by the Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party.

I'm getting confused. Is China Daily separate from the CCP?